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Family of Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE and Nelly Maud JAQUES

Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE (1878-1956)
Wife: Nelly Maud JAQUES (1891-1991)
Status: Unmarried Couple

Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

Name: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE
Sex: Male
Father: Frederick Charles HALE (1860?-1944)
Mother: Jane WHITWELL (1858-1905)
Birth 3 Dec 1878 Walworth, Surrey1
22 Villa Street, Walworth, Surrey
Occupation Lorry Driver2
Census 29 Sep 1939 (age 60) Barking M.B., Essex, England3
216 Fitzstephen Road
Occupation 29 Sep 1939 (age 60) Motor Driver Heavy Worker; Barking M.B., Essex, England3
Death 5 Mar 1956 (age 77) Romford, Essex4
Cause: 1) Carcinomatosis 2) Ca. of Oesophegas
Address: Rush Green Hospital, Dagenham, Essex

Wife: Nelly Maud JAQUES

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Nelly Maud JAQUES

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, c. 1915, age 24

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1928, age 37

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, c. 1922, age 31

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1980, age 89

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, c. 1915, age 24

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, c. 1990, age 99

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Nelly Maud JAQUES

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1983, age 92

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Nelly Maud JAQUES

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1947, age 56

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1924, age 33

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1924, age 33

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1928, age 37

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1928, age 37

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1925, age 34

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1929, age 38

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1926, age 35

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1926, age 35

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Nelly Maud JAQUES, 1927, age 36

Name: Nelly Maud JAQUES
Sex: Female
Father: Charles Hancock JAQUES (1862-1939)
Mother: Lucy Charlotte COOPER (1860-1949)
Birth 9 Apr 1891 14 Cossal Street, Peckham, Camberwell, Surrey5
Education frm 13 Jul 1896 to 3 Jul 1899 (age 5-8) Cator Street School, Cator Street, Peckham, Surrey; Cator Street School, Cator Street, Peckham, Surrey6
Cator Street School, Cator Street, Peckham, Surrey
School Number: 492
Parent: Charles
Address: 12 Rosemary Road

Two school numbers for her.
Under the name Ellen Jaques she is number 38, and the record states she STARTED school on 3 July 1899. Incomplete date of birth, and no leaving date.
Education frm 27 Aug 1900 to 7 Apr 1905 (age 9-13) Woods Road School, Harders Road, Peckham, Surrey; Woods Road School, Harders Road, Peckham, Surrey7
Woods Road School, Harders Road, Peckham, Surrey
School Number: 5142
Father: Charles
Address: 186 Albert Road
Previous School: Cator Street
Reason for leaving: Over age
Census 31 Mar 1901 (age 10) Peckham, Surrey8
186 Albert Road, Peckham, Camberwell, St Mary Magdelene, London
Residence 1909 (age 17-18) Peckham, Surrey9
161 Gordon Road, Peckham, Surrey
Census 29 Sep 1939 (age 48) Barking M.B., Essex, England3
216 Fitzstephen Road
Occupation 29 Sep 1939 (age 48) Unpaid Domestic Duties; Barking M.B., Essex, England3
Death 9 Apr 1991 (age 100) 217 Fitzstephen Road, Becontree, Essex
Burial 15 Apr 1991 Cremated

Note on Marriage

Common Law

Note on Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE (1) - shared note

Lodged at 185 Gordon Road, when Lucy Jaques had the house.

 

He belonged to a Liberal Club in Peckham, where he used to take May. The family were all friendly early on.

 

When Nelly came back to Peckham after Harriett, her Grandmother died, she lived with Lucy and the family. However she had no money or job, and her Mother didn't feel obliged to support her, and made this very clear.

 

 

 

Her next-door neighbour, Mrs. Warner took her to Moorfields and she had an operation to turn her eye. She also had her teeth done!

 

Albert suffered latterly from cancer, and was in terrible pain, and he died in hospital.

 

 

 

He liked to read and was fond of music. He was a good man, and they had a happy life.

Note on Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE (2)

spent the day at Kew today and in a spare five minutes, I decided to look at the HALE WW1 soldiers...(as you do!)

 

Almost immediately, I found Elbert's !! (HO 363 / H38, Page 561).

 

I haven't yet taken a copy of his service record because the queue for the copier was far too long, it being Saturday, but I've scribbled down a few personal bits & bobs which I thought would be of interest:

 

When Alexander Victor signed up on 8 Oct 1915, he went to the Grove Park Depot (later stamped approved by Whitehall) and was assigned to the Mechanical Transport Division of the Army Service Corp as Private M/2 130776. On his attestation form, his home address was shown as 6 North Terrace, Swan Lane, Whetstone, his occupation as Chauffeur and his height as 5ft 1in. and a chest measurement of 38+1/2 inches!

 

Alexander's wife was shown as May Beatrice, formerly Jacques and he had given the details of their marriage as being on the 2nd November 1914. He also showed his first child as Henry Stephen Hale, born 10 April 1915, in Finchley.

 

After signing up on 8 Oct, Alexander stayed in this Country and was not deployed until December when he was sent to France with the British Expeditionary force. He was actually sent out on Christmas Day!

 

By the time he was discharged on 20 Feb 1919 (at Wimbledon), his home address had been changed twice; the first amendment was to 161 Gordon Road, Peckham and the second amendment to 185 Gordon Road. Unfortunately, these changes were not dated.10

Note on Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE (3)

So far no record of his birth - his name too is confusing. On his marriage he is Alexander Victor - but her was always known as Albert.

No obvious record of him in the 1881 / 91 or 01 census.

In the former two he is not with his parents Frederick and Jennie Hale.

Note on Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE (4)

he was a good bench fitter and engine mechanic.

 

Before WW1, he worked for London General Omnibus Company.

 

Drove a lorry with an anti aircraft gun mounted on the back in France during WW1.

Note on Wife: Nelly Maud JAQUES (1) - shared note

When she was at school, she wasn't a healthy girl. She was deaf, and always had colds, and couldn't see properly.

 

Her Mother never troubled about this.

 

The Governess (Old Mother Price - an old cat!) used to rap Nelly's knuckles, because she couldn't hear.

 

She left the school at fourteen, although she should have stayed another year.

 

She used to help her Grandmother Harriett with the glove business, marking the gloves. Harriett said; "You're such a willing little girl, would you like to come and live with me?" So Nelly went to live with her in the Gordon Road house.

 

Harriett had Nelly's nose and throat done, and her eyes seen to.

 

When Nelly was 17, (circa 1908) Harriett retired and asked her if she would like to accompany her to Claygate, which she happily did and remained as her companion for the next twenty years, until Harriett's death.

 

She was very happy there, and used to have her friends there.

 

Nelly bought a bicycle, and cycled around the surrounding countryside. Often Harriett would come with Nelly, picnicking - they had some nice times.

 

She wasn't paid, but Harriett kept her.

 

With three or four girlfriends, Nelly would visit Chessington, Ardbrook Common, and Oxshott woods.

 

After her Grandma's death, Nelly was at breaking point, and went with her friend, Alice Overton (who worked for the railway), to Cornwall. She asked her Uncle Ernie for the £20 she had been left, and he gave it to her straight away.

 

They had a lovely time at a farmhouse, with plenty of food.

 

Of course when she returned she had no money, which angered her Mother.

 

Meanwhile, all Harriett's children had the lot!

 

She returned to Claygate to work for a Mr. and Mrs Jeremiah. They came from Tooting, and she was a schoolteacher. They had a baby boy, John, who Nelly looked after while Mrs. J. returned to work.

They, like Harriett Cooper also lived in Vale Road, Claygate.

 

 

 

In her final years she liked to read, and knit, but this became difficult through arthritis.

 

Sadly Nelly died on the morning of her 100th birthday.

Note on Wife: Nelly Maud JAQUES (2)

Moved to Fitzstephen Road in 1932/3.11

Note on Wife: Nelly Maud JAQUES (3)

Obituary:

 

The Post, Wednesday, April 17, 1991

 

NELLIE DIES ON HER 100TH BIRTHDAY

 

Nellie Hale always said she didn't want any fuss for her 100th birthday ... not even a telegram from the Queen.

And the grand old lady died from a massive heart attack on the morning of her birthday - before the telegram arrived.

Family and friends who flocked to her house in Fitzstephens Road, Dagenham, to join in the birthday celebrations were shocked when they heard the news.

Only the day before she'd been working in her garden so it would look nice for her birthday.

Her nephew, Desmond Garrett, 77, lived with Nellie, and cared for her during the last 12 years of her life.

He said: "She had never been ill, and knitted four matinee sets for babaies in the last few weeks. She read six libraray books every fortnight. Everyone round here loved her. She was quite a character, and about the most popular woman around here. But Nellie was adamant she wanted no fuss for her birthday, not even a telegram from the Queen. We'd set up a party for her, because we thought she would like it, and people were travelling from all over the country to help her celebrate. It was all going to be a surprise for her. She collapsed and died in my arms. It was so tragic to think she'd made it to her century, but didn't live to enjoy it."

Nellie, a widow with no children, worked as a domestic "in service" in her young days.

She will be very sadly missed."

 

N.B. Desmond was not her nephew but the son of a friend of Nellie. He'd been her lodger, and certainly looked after her - they were very close, and he did everything for her, and I believe made her last years very happy. [Graham Hoadly]

Sources

1"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Questionable.
Text From Source: Births Mar 1879 (>99%)
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Whitwell Alexander Victor St. Saviour 1d 122
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
2Taped conversation with Nelly Maude Jaques.
Text From Source: Taped conversation with Nelly Maude Jaques
Circa 1990.
Graham Hoadly.
3"Census 1939 Barking M.B., Essex, England RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW" (RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW).
Text From Source: Name of person,Married name,Gender,Birthdate,Condition as to marriage,Rank, Profession or Occupation,Occupation comment,Comments
Alexander V (Albert) HALE,,M,3 DEC 1878,Married,Motor Driver Heavy Worker,,
Nelly M HALE,,F,9 APR 1891,Married,Unpaid Domestic Duties,,
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Source: Census 1939 Barking M.B., Essex, England RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW, Census UK 1939 RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW

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Source: Census 1939 Barking M.B., Essex, England RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW, Census UK 1939 RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW

4"GRO Indexes". Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source:
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Alexander V Hale
Name: Alexander V Hale
Death Registration Month/Year: Q1-Jan-Feb-Mar 1956
Age at death (estimated): 77
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 5a
Page: 585

5GRO, "Birth Certificate". Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Registration District: Camberwell. 1891 BIRTH in the Sub-district of Peckham in the County of Surrey
No: 268
When and where born: Ninth April 1891. 14 Cossall Street
Name if any: Nelly Maud
Sex: Girl
Name and surname of father: Charles Hancock Jaques
Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Lucy Charlotte Jaques formerly Cooper
Occupation of father: Warehouseman's Assistant
Signature, description and residence of informant: L. C. Jaques, Mother. 14 Cossall Street, Peckham
When registered: Eleventh May 1891
Signature of Registrar: Jos. S. Smith Registrar

CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Deaths in the District above mentioned.
Given at the GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE, under the Seal of the said Office, the 4th day of January 1991
Graham Hoadly.
6Microfilm, "Cator Street School, Southwark : Admission and discharge register for girls 1888-1899 / 1899-1915". Custom Id: X095/038.
Viewed by Graham Hoadly 13th June 2003.
Cit. Date: 13 June 2003. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Viewed by Graham Hoadly 13th June 2003
London Metropolitan Archives, 40 Northampton Road, London, EC1R 0HB. Tel: 020 7332 3820.
7"Woods Road School, Peckham: Admission and Discharge Register" (Microfilm). Custom Id: X095/383. Cit. Date: from 1905 to 1920. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Microfilm in London Metropolitan Archive viewed by Graham Hoadly 13th June 2003
London Metropolitan Archives, 40 Northampton Road, London, EC1R 0HB. Tel: 020 7332 3820.
8"Census 1901 (Charles Hancock Jaques) Peckham, Surrey RG13/506/160/38".
Text From Source: Charles Jaques Head 38 London Lambeth
Lucy Jaques Wife 40 London Bermondsey
Lucy Jaques Dau 18 London Peckham
Jessie Jaques Dau 15 London Peckham
Fred Jaques Son 13 London Peckham
Florence Jaques Dau 12 London Peckham
Nelly Jaques Dau 10 London Peckham
Lily Jaques Dau 7 London Peckham
May Jaques Dau 6 London Peckham
Assessment: Primary evidence.
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Source: Census 1901 (Charles Hancock Jaques) Peckham, Surrey RG13/506/160/38, Charles Hancock Jaques 01

9"FJ Hoadly Electoral Register 1909".
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Source: FJ Hoadly Electoral Register 1909, Frederick John Hoadly 1909 ER

10"Email from Sue Leggett to Graham Hoadly".
Text From Source: ... I have just spent a fascinating couple of hours looking at your website - I
found it after googling HALE which is my maiden name and one of my areas of
interest.

Albert, as you have said he was known, was in fact cousin to my Grandfather,
Edward Cornelius Hale! Albert also had two older brothers, William born
c1881 in Bermondsey and James born c1884 in Camberwell.

Albert's father James and my Gt Grandfather, David Harry, were brothers and
two of a total of six children born to David Hale from South Mimms and Susan
Baxter from Suffolk. (They were married in Rotherhithe in 1854).

However (!) I realise this is getting completely away from your Tree ... and
also the reason I am writing to you!

As you have shown Albert's parents on your website, I wondered if you would
like a copy of their marriage cert? James Hale and Rebecca Louisa Walkinshaw
married on the 2nd August 1880 in St James' Church, Bermondsey.
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11Taped conversation with Nelly Maude Jaques.
Text From Source: Taped conversation with Nelly Maude Jaques
Circa 1990.
Assessment: Primary evidence.
Graham Hoadly.