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Family of Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE and May Beatrice JAQUES

Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE (1878-1956)
Wife: May Beatrice JAQUES (1894-1980)
Status: Separated
Marriage 2 Nov 1914 Camberwell, Surrey1
Camberwell 1d 1846

Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

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Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE

Name: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE
Sex: Male
Father: Frederick Charles HALE (1860?-1944)
Mother: Jane WHITWELL (1858-1905)
Birth 3 Dec 1878 Walworth, Surrey2
22 Villa Street, Walworth, Surrey
Occupation Lorry Driver3
Census 29 Sep 1939 (age 60) Barking M.B., Essex, England4
216 Fitzstephen Road
Occupation 29 Sep 1939 (age 60) Motor Driver Heavy Worker; Barking M.B., Essex, England4
Death 5 Mar 1956 (age 77) Romford, Essex5
Cause: 1) Carcinomatosis 2) Ca. of Oesophegas
Address: Rush Green Hospital, Dagenham, Essex

Wife: May Beatrice JAQUES

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May Beatrice JAQUES, 1916, age 21

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May Beatrice JAQUES, 1928, age 33

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May Beatrice JAQUES

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May Beatrice JAQUES

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May Beatrice JAQUES, c. 1929, age 35

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May Beatrice JAQUES, 1958, age 64

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May Beatrice JAQUES, 1953, age 58

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May Beatrice JAQUES

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May Beatrice JAQUES

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May Beatrice JAQUES, 1947, age 52

Name: May Beatrice JAQUES
Sex: Female
Father: Charles Hancock JAQUES (1862-1939)
Mother: Lucy Charlotte COOPER (1860-1949)
Birth 12 Dec 1894 Camberwell 1d 9396,7
Education frm 20 Aug 1898 (age 3) Cator Street School, Cator Street, Peckham, Surrey; Cator Street School, Cator Street, Peckham, Surrey8
Cator Street School, Cator Street, Peckham, Surrey
School Number: 1147
Parent: Charles
Address: 12 Rosemary Road
Education Woods Road School, Peckham3
Census 31 Mar 1901 (age 6) Peckham, Surrey9
186 Albert Road, Peckham, Camberwell, St Mary Magdelene, London
Education frm 25 Aug 1902 to 18 Dec 1908 (age 7-14) Woods Road School, Harders Road, Peckham, Surrey; Woods Road School, Harders Road, Peckham, Surrey10
Woods Road School, Harders Road, Peckham, Surrey
School Number: 5402
Father: Charles
Address: 186 Albert Road
Previous School: Woods Road Infants
Reason for leaving: Over Age
Residence 1909 (age 14-15) Peckham, Surrey11
161 Gordon Road, Peckham, Surrey
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 16) Peckham, Surrey12
161 Gordon Road, Peckham, Surrey
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 16) Machinist Braiding; Peckham, Surrey12
Census 29 Sep 1939 (age 44) Camberwell, London, England13
6 Brabourne Grove
Occupation 29 Sep 1939 (age 44) Quilt Machinist; Camberwell, London, England13
Death 5 Jun 1980 (age 85) Solihull, Warwickshire14

Note on Marriage

Separated in 1926

Note on Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE (1) - shared note

Lodged at 185 Gordon Road, when Lucy Jaques had the house.

 

He belonged to a Liberal Club in Peckham, where he used to take May. The family were all friendly early on.

 

When Nelly came back to Peckham after Harriett, her Grandmother died, she lived with Lucy and the family. However she had no money or job, and her Mother didn't feel obliged to support her, and made this very clear.

 

 

 

Her next-door neighbour, Mrs. Warner took her to Moorfields and she had an operation to turn her eye. She also had her teeth done!

 

Albert suffered latterly from cancer, and was in terrible pain, and he died in hospital.

 

 

 

He liked to read and was fond of music. He was a good man, and they had a happy life.

Note on Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE (2)

spent the day at Kew today and in a spare five minutes, I decided to look at the HALE WW1 soldiers...(as you do!)

 

Almost immediately, I found Elbert's !! (HO 363 / H38, Page 561).

 

I haven't yet taken a copy of his service record because the queue for the copier was far too long, it being Saturday, but I've scribbled down a few personal bits & bobs which I thought would be of interest:

 

When Alexander Victor signed up on 8 Oct 1915, he went to the Grove Park Depot (later stamped approved by Whitehall) and was assigned to the Mechanical Transport Division of the Army Service Corp as Private M/2 130776. On his attestation form, his home address was shown as 6 North Terrace, Swan Lane, Whetstone, his occupation as Chauffeur and his height as 5ft 1in. and a chest measurement of 38+1/2 inches!

 

Alexander's wife was shown as May Beatrice, formerly Jacques and he had given the details of their marriage as being on the 2nd November 1914. He also showed his first child as Henry Stephen Hale, born 10 April 1915, in Finchley.

 

After signing up on 8 Oct, Alexander stayed in this Country and was not deployed until December when he was sent to France with the British Expeditionary force. He was actually sent out on Christmas Day!

 

By the time he was discharged on 20 Feb 1919 (at Wimbledon), his home address had been changed twice; the first amendment was to 161 Gordon Road, Peckham and the second amendment to 185 Gordon Road. Unfortunately, these changes were not dated.15

Note on Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE (3)

So far no record of his birth - his name too is confusing. On his marriage he is Alexander Victor - but her was always known as Albert.

No obvious record of him in the 1881 / 91 or 01 census.

In the former two he is not with his parents Frederick and Jennie Hale.

Note on Husband: Alexander Victor (WHITWELL) HALE (4)

he was a good bench fitter and engine mechanic.

 

Before WW1, he worked for London General Omnibus Company.

 

Drove a lorry with an anti aircraft gun mounted on the back in France during WW1.

Note on Wife: May Beatrice JAQUES (1) - shared note

According to Nelly:

May looked after her Mother, Lucy, after they left Gordon Road.

She left Albert Hale

Despite the difficult times shared between Nelly and May, they became friends again in later years.

Note on Wife: May Beatrice JAQUES (2)

After early years in Whetstone, where harry was born, and Cricklwood, may her husband and two sons shared 185 Gordon Road, peckham with her mother and father and brother Fred.

 

She and Albert seperated in 1926; Albert, Harry and Lawrie remained at 185, and May's sons were cared for almost completely by Charles Hancock Jaques and Lucy Jaques, their grandparents.

 

After Albert left with Lawrie in 1931, May moved back.

Sources

1Marriage certificate.
Text From Source: Marriage certificate (GRO St Catherine's House)
St Catherine's House.
2"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Questionable.
Text From Source: Births Mar 1879 (>99%)
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Whitwell Alexander Victor St. Saviour 1d 122
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
3Taped conversation with Nelly Maude Jaques.
Text From Source: Taped conversation with Nelly Maude Jaques
Circa 1990.
Graham Hoadly.
4"Census 1939 Barking M.B., Essex, England RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW" (RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW).
Text From Source: Name of person,Married name,Gender,Birthdate,Condition as to marriage,Rank, Profession or Occupation,Occupation comment,Comments
Alexander V (Albert) HALE,,M,3 DEC 1878,Married,Motor Driver Heavy Worker,,
Nelly M HALE,,F,9 APR 1891,Married,Unpaid Domestic Duties,,
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Source: Census 1939 Barking M.B., Essex, England RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW, Census UK 1939 RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW

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Source: Census 1939 Barking M.B., Essex, England RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW, Census UK 1939 RG101/1053F/013/44 Letter Code: CCCW

5"GRO Indexes". Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source:
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Alexander V Hale
Name: Alexander V Hale
Death Registration Month/Year: Q1-Jan-Feb-Mar 1956
Age at death (estimated): 77
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 5a
Page: 585

6GRO Indexes.
Text From Source: BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: JAMES, Benjamin
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343

BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: STOREY, Jane
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343
Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street, LONDON, EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300.
7"Woods Road School, Peckham: Admission and Discharge Register" (Microfilm). Custom Id: X095/383.
London Metropolitan Archives, 40 Northampton Road, London, EC1R 0HB. Tel: 020 7332 3820.
8Microfilm, "Cator Street School, Southwark : Admission and discharge register for girls 1888-1899 / 1899-1915". Custom Id: X095/038.
Viewed by Graham Hoadly 13th June 2003.
Cit. Date: 13 June 2003. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Viewed by Graham Hoadly 13th June 2003
London Metropolitan Archives, 40 Northampton Road, London, EC1R 0HB. Tel: 020 7332 3820.
9"Census 1901 (Charles Hancock Jaques) Peckham, Surrey RG13/506/160/38".
Text From Source: Charles Jaques Head 38 London Lambeth
Lucy Jaques Wife 40 London Bermondsey
Lucy Jaques Dau 18 London Peckham
Jessie Jaques Dau 15 London Peckham
Fred Jaques Son 13 London Peckham
Florence Jaques Dau 12 London Peckham
Nelly Jaques Dau 10 London Peckham
Lily Jaques Dau 7 London Peckham
May Jaques Dau 6 London Peckham
Assessment: Primary evidence.
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Source: Census 1901 (Charles Hancock Jaques) Peckham, Surrey RG13/506/160/38, Charles Hancock Jaques 01

10"Woods Road School, Peckham: Admission and Discharge Register" (Microfilm). Custom Id: X095/383. Cit. Date: from 1905 to 1920. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Microfilm in London Metropolitan Archive viewed by Graham Hoadly 13th June 2003
London Metropolitan Archives, 40 Northampton Road, London, EC1R 0HB. Tel: 020 7332 3820.
11"FJ Hoadly Electoral Register 1909".
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Source: FJ Hoadly Electoral Register 1909, Frederick John Hoadly 1909 ER

12"Census 1911 (Charles Hancock Jaques) Peckham, Surrey RG14/PN2584".
Text From Source: Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
JAQUES, CHARLES HEAD MARRIED M 48 WAREHOUSEMAN MINERAL WATERS LAMBETH LONDON
JAQUES, LUCY WIFE MARRIED 29 F 50 BERMONDSEY LONDON
JAQUES, FLORENCE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 22 CASHIER BIOSCOPE PECKHAM LONDON
JAQUES, NELLIE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 19 PECKHAM LONDON
JAQUES, LILY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 17 CASHIER BIOSCOPE PECKHAM LONDON
JAQUES, MAY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 15 MACHINIST BRAIDING PECKHAM LONDON
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Source: Census 1911 (Charles Hancock Jaques) Peckham, Surrey RG14/PN2584, Charles Jaques 1911

13"Census 1939 Camberwell, London, England RG101/0101B/001/14 Letter Code: AEWI" (RG101/0101B/001/14 Letter Code: AEWI).
Text From Source: Name of person,Married name,Gender,Birthdate,Condition as to marriage,Rank, Profession or Occupation,Occupation comment,Comments
May B HALE,,F,12 DEC 1894,Married,Quilt Machinist,,
Henry S HALE,,M,10 APR 1915,Single,Warehouseman - Cloth,,
Lucy C JAQUES,,F,2 OCT 1860,Widowed,Unpaid Home Domestic Duties,,
Frederick C JAQUES,,M,3 NOV 1887,Married,Potman - Licenced Vic,,
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Source: Census 1939 Camberwell, London, England RG101/0101B/001/14 Letter Code: AEWI, Census UK 1939 RG101/0101B/001/14 Letter Code: AEWI

14GRO Indexes.
Text From Source: BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: JAMES, Benjamin
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343

BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: STOREY, Jane
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343
Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Jun 1980

May Beatrice Hale b. 12 Dec 1894

Solihull S. 34 0146
Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street, LONDON, EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300.
15"Email from Sue Leggett to Graham Hoadly".
Text From Source: ... I have just spent a fascinating couple of hours looking at your website - I
found it after googling HALE which is my maiden name and one of my areas of
interest.

Albert, as you have said he was known, was in fact cousin to my Grandfather,
Edward Cornelius Hale! Albert also had two older brothers, William born
c1881 in Bermondsey and James born c1884 in Camberwell.

Albert's father James and my Gt Grandfather, David Harry, were brothers and
two of a total of six children born to David Hale from South Mimms and Susan
Baxter from Suffolk. (They were married in Rotherhithe in 1854).

However (!) I realise this is getting completely away from your Tree ... and
also the reason I am writing to you!

As you have shown Albert's parents on your website, I wondered if you would
like a copy of their marriage cert? James Hale and Rebecca Louisa Walkinshaw
married on the 2nd August 1880 in St James' Church, Bermondsey.
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