See also

Family of Frederick William ORCHARD and May HENDRICK

Husband: Frederick William ORCHARD (1868-1925)
Wife: May HENDRICK (1876-1958)
Children: Ada ORCHARD (1895-1896)
Nellie May ORCHARD (1896-c. 1981)
Frederick Hugh ORCHARD (1898- )
Hazel ORCHARD (1900-1984)
Myrtle ORCHARD (1902-1987)
Charles Henry ORCHARD (1903- )
Iris ORCHARD (1904- )
Oswald Roland ORCHARD (1906-1991)
Ivy Esther ORCHARD (1908-2005)
John Reginald ORCHARD (1909-1947)
Louisa Mary ORCHARD (1910-1992)
Christopher Harry ORCHARD (1911-1911)
Douglas ORCHARD (1919-1948)
Marriage 4 Feb 1894

Husband: Frederick William ORCHARD

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Frederick William ORCHARD

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Frederick William ORCHARD, 1907, age 39

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Frederick William ORCHARD

Name: Frederick William ORCHARD1,2
Sex: Male
Father: Henry ORCHARD (1834- )
Mother: Fanny HEAL (bef1831-1918)
Birth 10 Apr 1868 Testwood, Southampton, Hampshire3,4
Occupation Colour Sergeant in the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry / Poultry Dealer1
Census 3 Apr 1881 (age 12) Crondall, Hampshire5
Birch Cottage, Crondall, Hampshire
Occupation 3 Apr 1881 (age 12) Scholar; Crondall, Hampshire5
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 43) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 42) Army Pensioner; Cork, Ireland6
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 42) Church of England6
Death Q4 1925 (age 56) Shrewsbury, Shropshire1,7

Wife: May HENDRICK

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May HENDRICK

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May HENDRICK

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May HENDRICK

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May HENDRICK

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May HENDRICK, 1919, age 43

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May HENDRICK, 1919, age 43

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May HENDRICK

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May HENDRICK

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May HENDRICK, c. 1932, age 56

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May HENDRICK, c. 1932, age 56

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May HENDRICK, 1907, age 31

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May HENDRICK

Name: May HENDRICK1
Sex: Female
Father: Hugh HENDRICK ( - )
Mother: Ellen FINN ( - )
Birth 15 May 1876 Cork, Ireland8
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 34) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 34) Army Pensioner; Cork, Ireland6
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 34) Roman Catholic6
Will 1958 (age 81-82)9
Mary Orchard of
26 Victoria Street, Castlefields, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Widow
Died 2nd August 1958
Probate Chester 20 August 1958 to
Vincent Joseph Orchard Pastry Cook
Hazel Bell (Wife of Thomas Bell)

£315 2s 3d
Death 2 Aug 1958 (age 82) Shrewsbury, Shropshire3
26 Victoria Street, Castlefields, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Probate 20 Aug 1958 Chester9

Child 1: Ada ORCHARD

Name: Ada ORCHARD
Sex: Female
Birth Sep 1895 Atcham, Shropshire10
Death Q1 1896 (age 0) Atcham, Shropshire11

Child 2: Nellie May ORCHARD

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Nellie May ORCHARD

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Nellie May ORCHARD, c. 1932, age 36

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Nellie May ORCHARD, 1907, age 11

Name: Nellie May ORCHARD1
Sex: Female
Spouse: Reginald Stephen DURNELL (1899- )
Birth 6 Sep 1896 Shrewsbury, Shropshire3,12
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 14) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 14) Scholar; Cork, Ireland6
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 14) Roman Catholic6
Death c. 1981 (age 84-85)13

Child 3: Frederick Hugh ORCHARD

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Frederick Hugh ORCHARD, 1919, age 21

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Frederick Hugh ORCHARD, 1907, age 9

Name: Frederick Hugh ORCHARD1
Sex: Male
Spouse: Dorothy R. HENDRICK ( - )
Birth Apr 1898 Shrewsbury, Shropshire3,14
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 13) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 12-13) Scholar; Cork, Ireland6
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 12-13) Roman Catholic6

Child 4: Hazel ORCHARD

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Hazel ORCHARD

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Hazel ORCHARD, c. 1932, age 32

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Hazel ORCHARD, 1907, age 7

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Hazel ORCHARD

Name: Hazel ORCHARD1
Sex: Female
Spouse: Thomas L. BELL ( - )
Birth 8 Mar 1900 Shrewsbury, Shropshire3,15
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 11) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 11) Scholar; Cork, Ireland6
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 11) Roman Catholic6
Death Apr 1984 (age 84) Shropshire13,16

Child 5: Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD, c. 1932, age 30

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Myrtle ORCHARD, 1907, age 5

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Myrtle ORCHARD, c. 1933, age 31

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD, 1929, age 27

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Myrtle ORCHARD, 1921, age 19

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Spouse: John Edward Reginald ELLIS

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Spouse: John Edward Reginald ELLIS

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Spouse: John Edward Reginald ELLIS

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Spouse: John Trevor Victor ROBERTS

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Spouse: John Trevor Victor ROBERTS

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Spouse: John Trevor Victor ROBERTS

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Spouse: John Trevor Victor ROBERTS

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Spouse: John Trevor Victor ROBERTS

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Spouse: John Trevor Victor ROBERTS

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Spouse: John Trevor Victor ROBERTS

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Spouse: John Trevor Victor ROBERTS, c. 1920, age 20

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Spouse: John Trevor Victor ROBERTS, c. 1933, age 33

Name: Myrtle ORCHARD
Sex: Female
Nickname: Mike
Spouse 1: John Edward Reginald ELLIS (1893-c. 1963)
Spouse 2: John Trevor Victor ROBERTS (1900-1982)
Birth 23 Mar 1902 Ellesmere, Shropshire17
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 9) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 9) Scholar; Cork, Ireland6
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 9) Roman Catholic6
Emigration 13 Oct 1927 (age 25) from Liverpool, Lancs. to New York, N.Y., USA18
Kingston House, St Alkmund's Square, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Census 29 Sep 1939 (age 37) Shrewsbury M.B., Shropshire, England19
9 Victoria Street
Occupation 29 Sep 1939 (age 37) Unpaid Domestic Duties; Shrewsbury M.B., Shropshire, England19
Death 24 Jul 1987 (age 85) Shifnal, Shropshire
Cottage Hospital, Shifnal, Shropshire
Burial 31 Jul 1987 Shrewsbury, Shropshire
New Cemetery, Shrewsbury, Shropshire

Child 6: Charles Henry ORCHARD

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Charles Henry ORCHARD, 1907, age 4

Name: Charles Henry ORCHARD1
Sex: Male
Spouse: Dorothy E. ROGERS ( - )
Birth 3 Jul 1903 Shrewsbury, Shropshire1,20
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 7) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 7) Scholar; Cork, Ireland6
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 7) Roman Catholic6

Child 7: Iris ORCHARD

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Iris ORCHARD, 1907, age 3

Name: Iris ORCHARD1
Sex: Female
Spouse 1: George STEELE ( - )
Spouse 2: Bill TONKINSON ( - )
Birth 13 Sep 1904 Shrewsbury, Shropshire1,21
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 6) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 6) Scholar; Cork, Ireland6
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 6) Roman Catholic6

Child 8: Oswald Roland ORCHARD

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Oswald Roland ORCHARD, 1907, age 1

Name: Oswald Roland ORCHARD1
Sex: Male
Nickname: Rollo
Birth 7 Aug 1906 Shrewsbury, Shropshire1,22
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 4) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 4) Scholar; Cork, Ireland6
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 4) Roman Catholic6
Death Jul 1991 (age 84) Tyne and Wear23

Child 9: Ivy Esther ORCHARD

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Ivy Esther ORCHARD

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Ivy Esther ORCHARD

Name: Ivy Esther ORCHARD1
Sex: Female
Spouse 1: George SMITH (1905- )
Spouse 2: Frank COOKSON ( - )
Birth 9 Apr 1908 Shrewsbury, Shropshire1,24
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 3) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 2) Roman Catholic6
Death May 2005 (age 97) Shrewsbury, Shropshire25

Child 10: John Reginald ORCHARD

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John Reginald ORCHARD

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John Reginald ORCHARD

Name: John Reginald ORCHARD26
Sex: Male
Nickname: Jack
Spouse: Charlotte MANDELL ( - )
Birth 9 Jul 1909 Cork, Ireland1
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 1) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 1) Roman Catholic6
Death 1947 (age 37-38) USA1
Cause: Suicide

Child 11: Louisa Mary ORCHARD

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Louisa Mary ORCHARD, c. 1933, age 23

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Louisa Mary ORCHARD, c. 1933, age 23

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Spouse: Henry Peter G HARBOUR

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Spouse: Henry Peter G HARBOUR

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Spouse: Henry Peter G HARBOUR

Name: Louisa Mary ORCHARD1
Sex: Female
Spouse 1: Leonard J. WALL ( -c. 1939)
Spouse 2: Henry Peter G HARBOUR ( -c. 1941)
Spouse 3: James MASSEY ( - )
Birth 7 Aug 1910 Cork, Ireland3
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 8 mns) Cork, Ireland6
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 0) Roman Catholic6
Death Nov 1992 (age 82) Surrey13,27

Child 12: Christopher Harry ORCHARD

Name: Christopher Harry ORCHARD
Sex: Male
Birth 24 Jan 1911 Cork, Ireland
Death 1911 (age 0) Cork, Ireland

Child 15: Douglas ORCHARD

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Douglas ORCHARD

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Douglas ORCHARD, 1919, age 0

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Douglas ORCHARD

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Douglas ORCHARD

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Douglas ORCHARD

Name: Douglas ORCHARD1
Sex: Male
Nickname: Puggums
Birth Jan 1919 Shrewsbury, Shropshire3
Death 1948 (age 28-29) Shrewsbury, Shropshire3
26 Victoria Street, Shrewsbury, Shropshire

Note on Husband: Frederick William ORCHARD

Chris Ellis thinks he was a clarinetist (and voice) and therefore possibly a choristor with his brother Harry at Winchester Cathedral.

 

Story goes that he took part as a supernumery at Cork Opera House - he trained possibly at Kneller Hall (near Twickenham) - the army school for bandsmen.

 

Signor Foli of the Cork Opera House (supposedly coached John McCormack) thought that Frederick was good enough to train at Milan.

 

At time of marriage non commissioned office of Cork Barracks

witnesses Louisa and John Hendrick.

 

Presume he came to Shrewsbury with the KSLI which is why the children were born in Shrewsbury and Ellesmere.

 

About 1908/9 came out of army and went to 167 Wise's Hill, Cork

 

1911 Confectioner at 31 Watercourse Road Cork

 

1914/15 - rejoined army (may have been a reserve) - was a recruiting sergeant.

 

After this May gave up shop and followed Frederick back to Shrewsbury, and remained at Charnwood, Copthorne Road,

 

Later he built a house called Wembley, Radbrook, Shrewsbury where he started a Poultry busisness. (possibly about 1924)

 

He died a couple of years later - no-one to take over, so May sold up and moved to Kingston House.

 

Buried in Shrewsbury Cemetery - used to be a curb - not sure if it's still there. May buried with him.13

Note on Wife: May HENDRICK (1)

Chris always called in on a Friday night with a small present - the first strawberries - he went in and she wasn't in the loiving room - he knocked on the bedroom door - she called "come in" - she was lying on the bed. He sat with her - gave her the strawberries - they chatted - he let her rest - he went to leave - she called him back - she said "I've never said this - it's about time I did - you've been a very good grandson" Not likely to get a compliment! He said "Come on May - what brought this on?" She said "I've been a lucky woman. I've never been on my own - there's always been my loved ones with me." Chris went home - she died that night - Chris swears she'd made her mind up her mind to go - didn't want to be a burden.

Chris arranged the funeral.

Buried in Shrewsbury old cemetery - marker has now gone (???). Double plot with her husband. Roman Catholic funeral.13

Note on Wife: May HENDRICK (2)

After husband died she sold up poultry business and moved to Kingston House, St6 Alkmund's Square Shrewsbury. (Where Chris born)

Left circa 1932 to 26 Victoria Street.

Chris and Maureen lived there when Myrtle married Trevor.

Myrtle and Trevor lived at 20 Benyon Street, Chris and Maureen remained with May at 26 Victoria Street until 1938 when May moved to London (57 Highbury Park London N5 which Vincent found for her and Douglas - Hazel joined them too)

They moved out to 10 Highbury Hill N5 - smaller and cheaper.

When GLC threatened to evacuate Duggie they sent Duggie to Shrewsbury at 26 Victoria Street with Nell and Reg. He pined - and May returned to live back at 26 and took the ground floor.

Hazel came back too and did some clerical work. Tom Bell came there as a lodger and that's how Hazel met him.13

Sources

1Peter Smith, "Email from Peter Smith".
Email to Graham Hoadly sent 21 September 2004.
Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Hi Graham,

Thanks a lot for the photos. I really have very few photos of the family and my immediate family haven't been able to produce many so I have rather been hoping that I would make some contacts through Genes Reunited who might have some. So thanks. It is fantastic that in this digital age photos can be shared so easily.

I also love the early photo of Myrtle. I was amazed when I first saw it because my memories of Myrtle were in her seventies, I guess. A classic "old lady" to teenage eyes and I always picture her walking up Victoria Street with a fag hanging out of her mouth. And then in the old picture she just looks so galmourous. I would easily have believed it was a picture of a twenties or thirties film star. You somehow don't think that your older grandparents and aunts were young once.

I didn't recognise anyone else in the photos except Myrtles mum Mary (or May) which you had correctly guessed. Do you know the names of Maureens children? My younger brother Steve remembers going to Myrtles in the summer holidays and playing with a boy of his own age (he was born in 1965) called Vincent. he thought it was Maureens son. They used to play scrabble with Myrtle.

I remember the shop next to No 4 Victoria Street. Mainly I remember it being empty and then being knocked down. Our house was at the top of Victoria Street on the other side from No4 and directly opposite No1. I went back to look at Victoria Street a few years back and the street seemed so narrow and all the palces I used to play seemed very small!.The 1920s picture is interesting. I think it is the only time I have seen the street without cars parked down one side. I remember my Nan telling me that the street used to called Coffin Street but I don't know how true that is. It would presumably have been in pr Victorian times.

Chris Ellis's father was called Reginald (Reg) Ellis and as I understand it Myrtles father died in 1927 and the family was quite poor. As I said there were 13 children and they would have been aged between 8 and 29. Some time after that Myrtle and her Husband Reg Ellis (they married in 1923) went off to America, perumably to "seek their fortune" or the promise of a better life and Myrtles younger brother John (aka Jack) went with them. I don't know exactly when it was but I was told that Myrtle returned on her own pregnant with Chris which would have been 1929. I would imagine that things in America were pretty bad as it was the time of the gretat depression and theWall Street Crash so I don't suppose it was easy.

By a stroke of luck (and the internet) I made contact with John Orchard's granddaughter in America a couple of years ago. When she was 8 or 9 she had overheard her parents talking to her grandmother and it came out that her "Grandfather" wasn't her real grandfather but it was John Orchard from Ireland. (Some of Myrtles siblings were actually born in Ireland becuse their Father was stationed there with the Army). The Granddaughter, Debbie, asked about it the next day and opened up a "can of worms" as her parents and grandmother were angry that she had found out and told her never to raise the subject again. Unfortunately she could not let it rest and it has caused a rift between them ever since. The long and the short of it is that John Married Charlotte Mandell ,Debbie's Grandmother, sometime in the thirties and he had commited suicide in 1947 aged 37. I have got a copy of the death certificate and it is definitely the same John Orchard as it lists his date of birth , parents etc. The grandparents refuse point blank to talk about the subject so any further information about John will probably never be known. I have not found any trace at all of Reginald Ellis so I don't know if he stayed in America or not. Myrtle remarried (Trevor) in 1934 so must have got divorced sometime in between. I can imagine it could have been quite scandalous at thet time especially as the family were Catholics.

Any way I had better go now. I have attached a photo of Myrtles father Frederick William Orcahrd who was a Colour Sergeant in the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry. It was the thing that set me off on Family History and I look a bit like him though not such a well cultivated moustache!

Keep in touch

All the best

Pete
Graham Hoadly.
2Ibid. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Hi Graham,

Thanks a lot for the photos. I really have very few photos of the family and my immediate family haven't been able to produce many so I have rather been hoping that I would make some contacts through Genes Reunited who might have some. So thanks. It is fantastic that in this digital age photos can be shared so easily.

I also love the early photo of Myrtle. I was amazed when I first saw it because my memories of Myrtle were in her seventies, I guess. A classic "old lady" to teenage eyes and I always picture her walking up Victoria Street with a fag hanging out of her mouth. And then in the old picture she just looks so galmourous. I would easily have believed it was a picture of a twenties or thirties film star. You somehow don't think that your older grandparents and aunts were young once.

I didn't recognise anyone else in the photos except Myrtles mum Mary (or May) which you had correctly guessed. Do you know the names of Maureens children? My younger brother Steve remembers going to Myrtles in the summer holidays and playing with a boy of his own age (he was born in 1965) called Vincent. he thought it was Maureens son. They used to play scrabble with Myrtle.

I remember the shop next to No 4 Victoria Street. Mainly I remember it being empty and then being knocked down. Our house was at the top of Victoria Street on the other side from No4 and directly opposite No1. I went back to look at Victoria Street a few years back and the street seemed so narrow and all the palces I used to play seemed very small!.The 1920s picture is interesting. I think it is the only time I have seen the street without cars parked down one side. I remember my Nan telling me that the street used to called Coffin Street [Chris Ellis says this is not true - he'd never heard of this] but I don't know how true that is. It would presumably have been in pr Victorian times.

Chris Ellis's father was called Reginald (Reg) Ellis and as I understand it Myrtles father died in 1927 and the family was quite poor. As I said there were 13 children [ There were actually 15 of whom 13 lived] and they would have been aged between 8 and 29. Some time after that Myrtle and her Husband Reg Ellis (they married in 1923) went off to America, perumably to "seek their fortune" or the promise of a better life and Myrtles younger brother John (aka Jack) went with them. I don't know exactly when it was but I was told that Myrtle returned on her own pregnant with Chris which would have been 1929 [actually 1928]. I would imagine that things in America were pretty bad as it was the time of the gretat depression and theWall Street Crash so I don't suppose it was easy.

By a stroke of luck (and the internet) I made contact with John Orchard's granddaughter in America a couple of years ago. When she was 8 or 9 she had overheard her parents talking to her grandmother and it came out that her "Grandfather" wasn't her real grandfather but it was John Orchard from Ireland. (Some of Myrtles siblings were actually born in Ireland becuse their Father was stationed there with the Army). The Granddaughter, Debbie, asked about it the next day and opened up a "can of worms" as her parents and grandmother were angry that she had found out and told her never to raise the subject again. Unfortunately she could not let it rest and it has caused a rift between them ever since. The long and the short of it is that John Married Charlotte Mandell ,Debbie's Grandmother, sometime in the thirties and he had commited suicide in 1947 aged 37. I have got a copy of the death certificate and it is definitely the same John Orchard as it lists his date of birth , parents etc. The grandparents refuse point blank to talk about the subject so any further information about John will probably never be known. I have not found any trace at all of Reginald Ellis so I don't know if he stayed in America or not. Myrtle remarried (Trevor) in 1934 so must have got divorced sometime in between. I can imagine it could have been quite scandalous at thet time especially as the family were Catholics.

Any way I had better go now. I have attached a photo of Myrtles father Frederick William Orcahrd who was a Colour Sergeant in the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry. It was the thing that set me off on Family History and I look a bit like him though not such a well cultivated moustache!

Keep in touch

All the best

Pete
3Peter Smith, "Pete Smith's Family Tree" (GenesReunited). http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/genesreunited.asp?wci=YourTreeNew&relation_key=22967233. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
This information taken from reserarch done by Peter Smith and published as his family tree on GenesReunited website
Internet.
4"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
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ORCHARD Frederick William N. Forest 2b 605
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
5"Census 1881 (Fanny Orchard) Crondall, Hampshire RG11/1250/48/3" (RG11/1250/48/3).
Text From Source: Fanny ORCHARD Head M Female 49 Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Butlers Wife
Frederick W. ORCHARD Son U Male 12 Sutton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Ada ORCHARD Daur Female 11 Sutton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Harry ORCHARD Son Male 8 Sutton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Susannah BUFFHAM Lodger W Female 81 Longsutton, Lincoln, England
Bessie BUFFHAM Boarder Female 10 Hollgate, Lincoln, England Scholar
Julia A. HUNT Boarder U Female 24 Oxford, England Assistant (School) Mistress
RG11/1250/48/3. Cit. Date: 3 April 1881. Assessment: Primary evidence.
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Source: Census 1881 (Fanny Orchard) Crondall, Hampshire RG11/1250/48/3, Fanny Orchard 81

6"Census 1911 Cork, Ireland".
Text From Source: Name,Relation,Religion,Education,Age,Occupation,Marriage Status,Marriage years,Total children,Children still living,Born,Irish Language,Infirmity
Frederick William ORCHARD,Head,Church of England,Read and Write,43,Army Pensioner,Married,16,11,10,England,,
May ORCHARD,Wife,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,34,Army Pensioner,Married,,,,Cork, City,,
Nellie May ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,14,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Frederick Hugh ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,13,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Hazel ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,11,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Myrtle ORCHARD,Mother,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,9,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Charles Henry ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,7,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Iris ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Read,6,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Oswald Roland ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,4,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
John Reginald ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,1,,Single,,,,Cork, City,,
Louisa Mary ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,8m,,Single,,,,Cork, City,,
Ivy Esther ORCHARD,Head,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,3,,Single,,,,Cork, City,,
7GRO Indexes.
Text From Source: BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: JAMES, Benjamin
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343

BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: STOREY, Jane
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343
Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Deaths Dec 1925

Orchard, Frederick W. Atcham 6a 756
Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street, LONDON, EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300.
8Peter Smith, "Pete Smith's Family Tree" (GenesReunited). http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/genesreunited.asp?wci=YourTreeNew&relation_key=22967233. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
This information taken from research done by Peter Smith and published as his family tree on GenesReunited website
Internet.
9"Probate Indexes".
Principal Registry of the Family Division
Principal Probate Registry
First Avenue House
42-49 High Holborn
LONDON
WC1V 6NP

Visited by Graham Hoadly 20 June 2005.
Principal Registry Family Division, First Avenue House, 42-49 High Holborn, LONDON, WC1V 6NP. Tel: 020 7947 6946.
10"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
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ORCHARD Ada Atcham 6a 660
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
11Ibid. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Deaths Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Orchard Ada 0 Atcham 6a 465
12Ibid. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Orchard Nellie May Atcham 6a 644
13"Chris Ellis".
14"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Jun 1898 (>99%)
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Orchard Frederick Hugh Atcham 6a 628
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
15Ibid. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Orchard Hazel Atcham 6a 701
16GRO Indexes.
Text From Source: BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: JAMES, Benjamin
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343

BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: STOREY, Jane
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343
Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Hazel Bell
Name: Hazel Bell
Birth Date: 8 Mar 1900
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1984
Age at death (estimated): 84
Registration district: North Shropshire
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 30
Page: 128
Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street, LONDON, EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300.
17"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1902
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Orchard Myrtle Ellesmere 6a 726
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
18"FindMyPast". Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: passenger transcript details
Name: Mrs Myrtle ELLIS
Date of departure: 13 October 1927
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1902 (calculated from age)
Age: 25
Marital status: Married
Sex: Female
Occupation: Housewife
Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 24





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Mr John ELLIS Page 16 of 24 View transcript
Miss Maureen ELLIS Page 16 of 24 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
ADRIATIC
124061
V W Hickson
White Star
New York, USA
15873
24562
343
19"Census 1939 Shrewsbury M.B., Shropshire, England RG101/5184H/020/6 Letter Code: OILY" (RG101/5184H/020/6 Letter Code: OILY).
Text From Source: Name of person,Married name,Gender,Birthdate,Condition as to marriage,Rank, Profession or Occupation,Occupation comment,Comments
Trevor V ROBERTS,,M,21 OCT 1900,Married,Senior Clerk Engineering Works Accounts Representative,,
Myrtle ROBERTS,,F,23 MAR 1902,Married,Unpaid Domestic Duties,,
Maureen H ELLIS,Butt,F,29 MAR 1924,Single,Junior Clerk Engineering Works ? Department,,
Christopher Reginald ELLIS,,M,25 DEC 1928,,,,[Redacted 2016]
picture

Source: Census 1939 Shrewsbury M.B., Shropshire, England RG101/5184H/020/6 Letter Code: OILY, Census UK 1939 RG101/5184H/020/6 Letter Code: OILY

20"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Sep 1903
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Orchard Charles Henry Ellesmere 6a 716
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
21Ibid. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Dec 1904
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Orchard Iris Ellesmere 6a 685
22Ibid. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Sep 1906
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Orchard Oswald Roland Ellesmere 6a 690
23Ibid. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Name: OSWALD ROLAND ORCHARD
Death Registration Month/Year: Jul/91
Age: 84
Birth Date: 7 AUG 1906
District: North Tyneside
Inferred County: Tyne And Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 962
24Ibid. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Jun 1908
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Orchard Ivy Esther Ellesmere 6a 683
25GRO Indexes.
Text From Source: BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: JAMES, Benjamin
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343

BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: STOREY, Jane
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343
Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Ivy Esther Cookson
Name: Ivy Esther Cookson
Birth Date: 9 Apr 1908
Death Registration Month/Year: May 2005
Age at death (estimated): 97
Registration district: Shrewsbury
Inferred County: Shropshire
Register number: A69A
Entry Number: 244
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26Peter Smith, "Email from Peter Smith".
Email to Graham Hoadly sent 21 September 2004.
Cit. Date: 21 September 2004. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Hi Graham,

Thanks a lot for the photos. I really have very few photos of the family and my immediate family haven't been able to produce many so I have rather been hoping that I would make some contacts through Genes Reunited who might have some. So thanks. It is fantastic that in this digital age photos can be shared so easily.

I also love the early photo of Myrtle. I was amazed when I first saw it because my memories of Myrtle were in her seventies, I guess. A classic "old lady" to teenage eyes and I always picture her walking up Victoria Street with a fag hanging out of her mouth. And then in the old picture she just looks so galmourous. I would easily have believed it was a picture of a twenties or thirties film star. You somehow don't think that your older grandparents and aunts were young once.

I didn't recognise anyone else in the photos except Myrtles mum Mary (or May) which you had correctly guessed. Do you know the names of Maureens children? My younger brother Steve remembers going to Myrtles in the summer holidays and playing with a boy of his own age (he was born in 1965) called Vincent. he thought it was Maureens son. They used to play scrabble with Myrtle.

I remember the shop next to No 4 Victoria Street. Mainly I remember it being empty and then being knocked down. Our house was at the top of Victoria Street on the other side from No4 and directly opposite No1. I went back to look at Victoria Street a few years back and the street seemed so narrow and all the palces I used to play seemed very small!.The 1920s picture is interesting. I think it is the only time I have seen the street without cars parked down one side. I remember my Nan telling me that the street used to called Coffin Street but I don't know how true that is. It would presumably have been in pr Victorian times.

Chris Ellis's father was called Reginald (Reg) Ellis and as I understand it Myrtles father died in 1927 and the family was quite poor. As I said there were 13 children and they would have been aged between 8 and 29. Some time after that Myrtle and her Husband Reg Ellis (they married in 1923) went off to America, perumably to "seek their fortune" or the promise of a better life and Myrtles younger brother John (aka Jack) went with them. I don't know exactly when it was but I was told that Myrtle returned on her own pregnant with Chris which would have been 1929. I would imagine that things in America were pretty bad as it was the time of the gretat depression and theWall Street Crash so I don't suppose it was easy.

By a stroke of luck (and the internet) I made contact with John Orchard's granddaughter in America a couple of years ago. When she was 8 or 9 she had overheard her parents talking to her grandmother and it came out that her "Grandfather" wasn't her real grandfather but it was John Orchard from Ireland. (Some of Myrtles siblings were actually born in Ireland becuse their Father was stationed there with the Army). The Granddaughter, Debbie, asked about it the next day and opened up a "can of worms" as her parents and grandmother were angry that she had found out and told her never to raise the subject again. Unfortunately she could not let it rest and it has caused a rift between them ever since. The long and the short of it is that John Married Charlotte Mandell ,Debbie's Grandmother, sometime in the thirties and he had commited suicide in 1947 aged 37. I have got a copy of the death certificate and it is definitely the same John Orchard as it lists his date of birth , parents etc. The grandparents refuse point blank to talk about the subject so any further information about John will probably never be known. I have not found any trace at all of Reginald Ellis so I don't know if he stayed in America or not. Myrtle remarried (Trevor) in 1934 so must have got divorced sometime in between. I can imagine it could have been quite scandalous at thet time especially as the family were Catholics.

Any way I had better go now. I have attached a photo of Myrtles father Frederick William Orcahrd who was a Colour Sergeant in the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry. It was the thing that set me off on Family History and I look a bit like him though not such a well cultivated moustache!

Keep in touch

All the best

Pete
Email from Myrtle Robert's great nephew Peter Smith to Graham Hoadly
Graham Hoadly.
27GRO Indexes.
Text From Source: BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: JAMES, Benjamin
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343

BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: STOREY, Jane
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343
Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Louisa Mary Harbour
Name: Louisa Mary Harbour
Birth Date: 1910
Death Registration Month/Year: Nov 1992
Age at death (estimated): 82
Registration district: Surrey South-Western
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 1467
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