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Family of Henry ORCHARD and Fanny HEAL

Husband: Henry ORCHARD (1834- )
Wife: Fanny HEAL (bef1831-1918)
Children: Emma Lucy ORCHARD (1858- )
Emily Jane ORCHARD (c. 1860- )
Elizabeth Mary ORCHARD (1861- )
Ellen ORCHARD (1866- )
Frederick William ORCHARD (1868-1925)
Ada ORCHARD (1870- )
Harry ORCHARD (1873- )
Marriage 10 Mar 1857 Isle of Wight, Hampshire1
Parish Church, Southwood, Isle of Wight, Hampshire

Husband: Henry ORCHARD

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Henry ORCHARD

Name: Henry ORCHARD
Sex: Male
Father: William ORCHARD (1808-1881)
Mother: Harriett SLADE (1806-1883)
Birth 1834 Shafleet, Isle of Wight, Hampshire2
Occupation Butler
Census 6 Jun 1841 (age 6) Arreton, Hampshire3
Arreton St, Arreton, Hampshire
Census 3 Apr 1881 (age 46) Crondall, Hampshire4
Crookham Knoll, Crondall, Hampshire

Wife: Fanny HEAL

Name: Fanny HEAL
Sex: Female
Father: Joseph HEAL (1801?-1871)
Mother: Margaret ? (1801?-1873)
Birth bef 29 May 1831 Calbourne, Isle Of Wight, Hampshire5
Christening 29 May 1831 (age 0) Calbourne, Isle Of Wight, Hampshire5
Census 6 Jun 1841 (age 10) Calbourne6
Calbourne
Census 30 Mar 1851 (age 20) Farnham, Surrey7
Farnham Castle, Farnham, Surrey
Occupation 30 Mar 1851 (age 19) House Servant; Farnham, Surrey7
Census 3 Apr 1881 (age 49) Crondall, Hampshire8
Birch Cottage, Crondall, Hampshire
Occupation 3 Apr 1881 (age 49) Butlers Wife; Crondall, Hampshire8
Death Q4 1918 (age 87) Hartley Wintney, Hampshire9
Crookham

Child 1: Emma Lucy ORCHARD

Name: Emma Lucy ORCHARD
Sex: Female
Birth 1858

Child 2: Emily Jane ORCHARD

Name: Emily Jane ORCHARD
Sex: Female
Spouse: Henry TURVEY (1862?- )
Birth c. 1860 Isle of Wight, Hampshire

Child 3: Elizabeth Mary ORCHARD

Name: Elizabeth Mary ORCHARD
Sex: Female
Birth Q4 1861 Cowes, Isle Of Wight, Hampshire10

Child 4: Ellen ORCHARD

Name: Ellen ORCHARD
Sex: Female
Birth Q2 1866 Sutton, Hampshire11

Child 5: Frederick William ORCHARD

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Frederick William ORCHARD

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Frederick William ORCHARD, 1907, age 39

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Frederick William ORCHARD

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Spouse: May HENDRICK

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Spouse: May HENDRICK

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Spouse: May HENDRICK

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Spouse: May HENDRICK

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Spouse: May HENDRICK, 1919, age 43

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Spouse: May HENDRICK, 1919, age 43

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Spouse: May HENDRICK

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Spouse: May HENDRICK

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Spouse: May HENDRICK, c. 1932, age 56

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Spouse: May HENDRICK, c. 1932, age 56

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Spouse: May HENDRICK, 1907, age 31

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Spouse: May HENDRICK

Name: Frederick William ORCHARD12,13
Sex: Male
Spouse: May HENDRICK (1876-1958)
Birth 10 Apr 1868 Testwood, Southampton, Hampshire14,15
Occupation Colour Sergeant in the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry / Poultry Dealer12
Census 3 Apr 1881 (age 12) Crondall, Hampshire8
Birch Cottage, Crondall, Hampshire
Occupation 3 Apr 1881 (age 12) Scholar; Crondall, Hampshire8
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 43) Cork, Ireland16
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 42) Army Pensioner; Cork, Ireland16
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 42) Church of England16
Death Q4 1925 (age 56) Shrewsbury, Shropshire12,17

Child 6: Ada ORCHARD

Name: Ada ORCHARD
Sex: Female
Birth Q2 1870 Sutton, Hampshire8,18
Census 3 Apr 1881 (age 11) Crondall, Hampshire8
Birch Cottage, Crondall, Hampshire
Occupation 3 Apr 1881 (age 10-11) Scholar; Crondall, Hampshire8

Child 7: Harry ORCHARD

Name: Harry ORCHARD
Sex: Male
Birth Q1 1873 Sutton, Hampshire8,19
Census 3 Apr 1881 (age 8) Crondall, Hampshire8
Birch Cottage, Crondall, Hampshire
Occupation 3 Apr 1881 (age 8) Scholar; Crondall, Hampshire8

Sources

1"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Marriages Mar 1857
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Heal Fanny Isle of Wight 2b 615
Orchard Henry Isle of Wight 2b 615
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
2The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "1881 Census - Family Search Website" (Online 1881 Census for England and Wales). Custom Id: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp. RG11/1250/48/4. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
3"Census 1841 (William Orchard) Arreton, Hampshire RG107/405/1/46/17".
Text From Source: William Orchard 30 Ag. Lab. y
Harriet Orchard 30 y
William Orchard 8 y
Henry Orchard 6 y
Emily Orchard 4 y
Charles Orchard 1 y
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Source: Census 1841 (William Orchard) Arreton, Hampshire RG107/405/1/46/17, Henry Orchard 41

4The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "1881 Census - Family Search Website" (Online 1881 Census for England and Wales). Custom Id: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Anne STURGESS BOURNE Head U Female 72 St Georges Hanover Sq, Middlesex, England Landowner
Henry ORCHARD Serv M Male 46 Shafleet, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Butler Domestic Servant
Eliza LANGFORD Serv U Female 55 Thorncombe, Somerset, England Cook Domestic Servant
Mary BUFFHAM Serv U Female 42 St Georges Sq Hanover, Middlesex, England Ladysmaid Domestic Servant
Rebecca BOGGAS Serv U Female 60 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Upper Housemaid Domestic Servant
Matilda RUSSELL Serv U Female 21 Eling, Hampshire, England Kitchenmaid Domestic Servant
Sarah POULTER Serv U Female 17 Crondall, Hampshire, England Under Housemaid Domestic Servant
William HOARE Visitor M Male 33 Staplehurst, Kent, England Brewer & Landowner
Laura HOARE Visitor M Female 30 Eling, Hampshire, England Landowners Wife
Geoffrey L. HOARE Visitor Male 1 Knightsbridge, Middlesex, England Landowners Son
Sophia L. HOARE Visitor U Female 34 Staplehurst, Kent, England Landowners Daughter
Annie MARTIN Visitor U Female 38 Staverton, Devon, England
Elizabeth LOCKYER Visitor U Female 29 Exmouth, Devon, England Hoares Domestic Servant
Frances J. WHEATLEY Visitor U Female 20 Crondall, Hampshire, England Ladysmaid Domestic Servant


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Source Information:
Dwelling Crookham Knoll
Census Place Crondall, Hampshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341305
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1250 / 48
Page Number 4
5Church of the Latter Day Saints, "http://www.familysearch.org/".
Text From Source: Family Search website
Assessment: Questionable.
Text From Source: IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
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Fanny Heal Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 29 MAY 1831 Calbourne Parish,Isle Of Wight, , Hampshire, England

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Parents:
Father: Joseph Heal Family
Mother: Margaret


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Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.


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Source Information:
No source information is available.
Internet. Call Number: http://www.familysearch.org/ (electronic).
6"Census 1841 (Joseph Heal) Calbourne HO107/405/10/35/14".
Text From Source: Joseph Heal 40 Blacksmith y
Margaret Heal 40 y
Ellen Heal 15 y
Amos Heal 14 y
Lucy Heal 12 y
Fanny Heal 10 y
Thomas Heal 8 y
Jacob Heal 6 y
Martha Heal 4 y
Charles Heal 2 y
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Source: Census 1841 (Joseph Heal) Calbourne HO107/405/10/35/14, Fanny Heal 41

7"Census 1851 (Fanny Heal) Farnham, Surrey HO107/1595/202/28" (HO107/1595/202/28).
Text From Source: Fanny Heale Servant Un 20 Isle of Wight Colbourne
HO107/1595/202/28. Cit. Date: 30 March 1851. Assessment: Primary evidence.
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Source: Census 1851 (Fanny Heal) Farnham, Surrey HO107/1595/202/28, Fanny Heal 51

8"Census 1881 (Fanny Orchard) Crondall, Hampshire RG11/1250/48/3" (RG11/1250/48/3).
Text From Source: Fanny ORCHARD Head M Female 49 Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Butlers Wife
Frederick W. ORCHARD Son U Male 12 Sutton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Ada ORCHARD Daur Female 11 Sutton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Harry ORCHARD Son Male 8 Sutton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Susannah BUFFHAM Lodger W Female 81 Longsutton, Lincoln, England
Bessie BUFFHAM Boarder Female 10 Hollgate, Lincoln, England Scholar
Julia A. HUNT Boarder U Female 24 Oxford, England Assistant (School) Mistress
RG11/1250/48/3. Cit. Date: 3 April 1881. Assessment: Primary evidence.
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Source: Census 1881 (Fanny Orchard) Crondall, Hampshire RG11/1250/48/3, Fanny Orchard 81

9"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%)
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ORCHARD Fanny 87 Hartley W. 2c 513
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
10Ibid. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Dec 1861 (>99%)
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ORCHARD Elizabeth Mary I Wight 2b 469
11Ibid. Assessment: Questionable.
Text From Source: Births Jun 1866 (>99%)
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Orchard Ellen N. Forest 2b 575
ORCHARD Ellen N. Forest 2b 576
12Peter Smith, "Email from Peter Smith".
Email to Graham Hoadly sent 21 September 2004.
Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Hi Graham,

Thanks a lot for the photos. I really have very few photos of the family and my immediate family haven't been able to produce many so I have rather been hoping that I would make some contacts through Genes Reunited who might have some. So thanks. It is fantastic that in this digital age photos can be shared so easily.

I also love the early photo of Myrtle. I was amazed when I first saw it because my memories of Myrtle were in her seventies, I guess. A classic "old lady" to teenage eyes and I always picture her walking up Victoria Street with a fag hanging out of her mouth. And then in the old picture she just looks so galmourous. I would easily have believed it was a picture of a twenties or thirties film star. You somehow don't think that your older grandparents and aunts were young once.

I didn't recognise anyone else in the photos except Myrtles mum Mary (or May) which you had correctly guessed. Do you know the names of Maureens children? My younger brother Steve remembers going to Myrtles in the summer holidays and playing with a boy of his own age (he was born in 1965) called Vincent. he thought it was Maureens son. They used to play scrabble with Myrtle.

I remember the shop next to No 4 Victoria Street. Mainly I remember it being empty and then being knocked down. Our house was at the top of Victoria Street on the other side from No4 and directly opposite No1. I went back to look at Victoria Street a few years back and the street seemed so narrow and all the palces I used to play seemed very small!.The 1920s picture is interesting. I think it is the only time I have seen the street without cars parked down one side. I remember my Nan telling me that the street used to called Coffin Street but I don't know how true that is. It would presumably have been in pr Victorian times.

Chris Ellis's father was called Reginald (Reg) Ellis and as I understand it Myrtles father died in 1927 and the family was quite poor. As I said there were 13 children and they would have been aged between 8 and 29. Some time after that Myrtle and her Husband Reg Ellis (they married in 1923) went off to America, perumably to "seek their fortune" or the promise of a better life and Myrtles younger brother John (aka Jack) went with them. I don't know exactly when it was but I was told that Myrtle returned on her own pregnant with Chris which would have been 1929. I would imagine that things in America were pretty bad as it was the time of the gretat depression and theWall Street Crash so I don't suppose it was easy.

By a stroke of luck (and the internet) I made contact with John Orchard's granddaughter in America a couple of years ago. When she was 8 or 9 she had overheard her parents talking to her grandmother and it came out that her "Grandfather" wasn't her real grandfather but it was John Orchard from Ireland. (Some of Myrtles siblings were actually born in Ireland becuse their Father was stationed there with the Army). The Granddaughter, Debbie, asked about it the next day and opened up a "can of worms" as her parents and grandmother were angry that she had found out and told her never to raise the subject again. Unfortunately she could not let it rest and it has caused a rift between them ever since. The long and the short of it is that John Married Charlotte Mandell ,Debbie's Grandmother, sometime in the thirties and he had commited suicide in 1947 aged 37. I have got a copy of the death certificate and it is definitely the same John Orchard as it lists his date of birth , parents etc. The grandparents refuse point blank to talk about the subject so any further information about John will probably never be known. I have not found any trace at all of Reginald Ellis so I don't know if he stayed in America or not. Myrtle remarried (Trevor) in 1934 so must have got divorced sometime in between. I can imagine it could have been quite scandalous at thet time especially as the family were Catholics.

Any way I had better go now. I have attached a photo of Myrtles father Frederick William Orcahrd who was a Colour Sergeant in the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry. It was the thing that set me off on Family History and I look a bit like him though not such a well cultivated moustache!

Keep in touch

All the best

Pete
Graham Hoadly.
13Ibid. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Hi Graham,

Thanks a lot for the photos. I really have very few photos of the family and my immediate family haven't been able to produce many so I have rather been hoping that I would make some contacts through Genes Reunited who might have some. So thanks. It is fantastic that in this digital age photos can be shared so easily.

I also love the early photo of Myrtle. I was amazed when I first saw it because my memories of Myrtle were in her seventies, I guess. A classic "old lady" to teenage eyes and I always picture her walking up Victoria Street with a fag hanging out of her mouth. And then in the old picture she just looks so galmourous. I would easily have believed it was a picture of a twenties or thirties film star. You somehow don't think that your older grandparents and aunts were young once.

I didn't recognise anyone else in the photos except Myrtles mum Mary (or May) which you had correctly guessed. Do you know the names of Maureens children? My younger brother Steve remembers going to Myrtles in the summer holidays and playing with a boy of his own age (he was born in 1965) called Vincent. he thought it was Maureens son. They used to play scrabble with Myrtle.

I remember the shop next to No 4 Victoria Street. Mainly I remember it being empty and then being knocked down. Our house was at the top of Victoria Street on the other side from No4 and directly opposite No1. I went back to look at Victoria Street a few years back and the street seemed so narrow and all the palces I used to play seemed very small!.The 1920s picture is interesting. I think it is the only time I have seen the street without cars parked down one side. I remember my Nan telling me that the street used to called Coffin Street [Chris Ellis says this is not true - he'd never heard of this] but I don't know how true that is. It would presumably have been in pr Victorian times.

Chris Ellis's father was called Reginald (Reg) Ellis and as I understand it Myrtles father died in 1927 and the family was quite poor. As I said there were 13 children [ There were actually 15 of whom 13 lived] and they would have been aged between 8 and 29. Some time after that Myrtle and her Husband Reg Ellis (they married in 1923) went off to America, perumably to "seek their fortune" or the promise of a better life and Myrtles younger brother John (aka Jack) went with them. I don't know exactly when it was but I was told that Myrtle returned on her own pregnant with Chris which would have been 1929 [actually 1928]. I would imagine that things in America were pretty bad as it was the time of the gretat depression and theWall Street Crash so I don't suppose it was easy.

By a stroke of luck (and the internet) I made contact with John Orchard's granddaughter in America a couple of years ago. When she was 8 or 9 she had overheard her parents talking to her grandmother and it came out that her "Grandfather" wasn't her real grandfather but it was John Orchard from Ireland. (Some of Myrtles siblings were actually born in Ireland becuse their Father was stationed there with the Army). The Granddaughter, Debbie, asked about it the next day and opened up a "can of worms" as her parents and grandmother were angry that she had found out and told her never to raise the subject again. Unfortunately she could not let it rest and it has caused a rift between them ever since. The long and the short of it is that John Married Charlotte Mandell ,Debbie's Grandmother, sometime in the thirties and he had commited suicide in 1947 aged 37. I have got a copy of the death certificate and it is definitely the same John Orchard as it lists his date of birth , parents etc. The grandparents refuse point blank to talk about the subject so any further information about John will probably never be known. I have not found any trace at all of Reginald Ellis so I don't know if he stayed in America or not. Myrtle remarried (Trevor) in 1934 so must have got divorced sometime in between. I can imagine it could have been quite scandalous at thet time especially as the family were Catholics.

Any way I had better go now. I have attached a photo of Myrtles father Frederick William Orcahrd who was a Colour Sergeant in the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry. It was the thing that set me off on Family History and I look a bit like him though not such a well cultivated moustache!

Keep in touch

All the best

Pete
14Peter Smith, "Pete Smith's Family Tree" (GenesReunited). http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/genesreunited.asp?wci=YourTreeNew&relation_key=22967233. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
This information taken from reserarch done by Peter Smith and published as his family tree on GenesReunited website
Internet.
15"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
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ORCHARD Frederick William N. Forest 2b 605
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
16"Census 1911 Cork, Ireland".
Text From Source: Name,Relation,Religion,Education,Age,Occupation,Marriage Status,Marriage years,Total children,Children still living,Born,Irish Language,Infirmity
Frederick William ORCHARD,Head,Church of England,Read and Write,43,Army Pensioner,Married,16,11,10,England,,
May ORCHARD,Wife,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,34,Army Pensioner,Married,,,,Cork, City,,
Nellie May ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,14,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Frederick Hugh ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,13,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Hazel ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,11,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Myrtle ORCHARD,Mother,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,9,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Charles Henry ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,7,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Iris ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Read,6,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Oswald Roland ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,4,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
John Reginald ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,1,,Single,,,,Cork, City,,
Louisa Mary ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,8m,,Single,,,,Cork, City,,
Ivy Esther ORCHARD,Head,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,3,,Single,,,,Cork, City,,
17GRO Indexes.
Text From Source: BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: JAMES, Benjamin
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343

BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: STOREY, Jane
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343
Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Deaths Dec 1925

Orchard, Frederick W. Atcham 6a 756
Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street, LONDON, EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300.
18"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Jun 1870 (>99%)
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Orchard Ada N.Forest 2b 618
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
19Ibid. Assessment: Questionable.
Text From Source: Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Orchard Harry Droxford 2c 126