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Family of John STILL and Ann ?

Husband: John STILL (1757-bef1845)
Wife: Ann ? ( - )

Husband: John STILL

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John STILL

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John STILL

Name: John STILL1,2
Sex: Male
Father: John STILL (c. 1734-bef1804)
Mother: Catherine CHESMER (bef1731-bef1804)
Birth 17571
Occupation btw 1791 and 1827 (age 33-70) Miller; Mill Farm, Lovehurst Manor, Staplehurst, Kent3
John took the mills (which must have returned to the Stills from Alexander Chesmer) ... From 1791-1827 a John Still held the Mill Farm, Lovehurst Manor. Was he the son of JS? He gave up the lease because of "heavy arrears of rent." The mill was so dilapidated that the incoming tenant had to rent another mill for a year while it was repaired.
Census 6 Jun 1841 (age 80) Staplehurst, Kent4
Staplehurst, Kent
Occupation 6 Jun 1841 (age 83-84) Miller; Staplehurst, Kent4
Death bef 18 Jan 1845 (age 87) Staplehurst, Kent5
Maidstone Journal 21 Jan 1845 - an obituary. [to be looked up]
Burial 18 Jan 1845 (age 87) Staplehurst, Kent6
Staplehurst Parish Church, Staplehurst, Kent

Wife: Ann ?

Name: Ann ?
Sex: Female
Father: -
Mother: -
Census 6 Jun 1841 (age 80) Staplehurst, Kent4
Staplehurst, Kent

Note on Husband: John STILL (1)

From a letter to David Usborne Still from Robert Barling of Staplehurst dated August 31 1898:

 

" ... Your Grandfather was a fine old gentleman Farmer, a Yeoman. I knew nothing of his father, he had a brother who I knew Mr John Still who occupied Lovehurst Mill. I think from his appearance he must have been older than your grandfather. ... "

 

This above refers to John Still (1757 - 1845)7

Note on Husband: John STILL (2)

From 1791-1827 a John Still held the Mill Farm, Lovehurst Manor. Was he the son of JS? He gave up the lease because of "heavy arrears of rent." The mill was so dilapidated that the incoming tenant had to rent another mill for a year while it was repaired.

 

NB: Given the evidence of Robert Barling's 1898 letter to David Usborne Still, I would say that, yes, John Still (1857-1845), was the lessee of Lovehurst Mill as surmised by Anita Thompson.8

Sources

1Anita Thompson, "Staplehurst Local History Society" (email to Graham Hoadly). Custom Id: 19/10/2004. Cit. Date: 19 October 2004. Assessment: Questionable.
Text From Source: From: Anita Thompson via Allan Rimmer <awcebd@mistral.co.uk>
To: Graham Hoadly<graham@hoadlyg.freeserve.co.uk>
On 14 October 2004
Re: The Still family in Staplehurst.

Thank you for Thomas Still's will dated 4/7/1835 and proved 30/12/1837. I haven't seen it before, and it makes many things plain, mostly what a good farmer and businessman he must have been to pull through the 1830s still having any assets at all.

The family were Nonconformist, in parts, (they must have been for Thomas Still sen. to have appointed William Jull as an executor in 1837: he was a Deacon in the Nonconformist Chapel as well as a grocer). I think John Still, son-in-law of Sander Chesmer, miller, came to Staplehurst first . Sander Chesmer used both the watermill at Lovehurst when there was water enough, and the windmill which once stood at the top of Bell Lane opposite the Church. Sander Chesmer's will, undated, was made pre-1765, and can be found at CKS PRC 17/99.158. He left his daughters Catherine Still and Mary Chesmer £50 each, to make them equal to their sisters Ann and Elizabeth. He left his son Alexander Chesmer the leases of the mills, plus £100 in cash, and John Still the lease of the farm he now lives in, and he made both his son Alexander Chesmer and John Still executors of his will. He was buried on 27 April 1774, and probate was given on 30 June 1774. I think the Chesmers came from Benenden. Catharine was 3 years older than John: I would think he had been apprenticed to her father. When their first child Ann was born in 1756, he was 22 and she 25.

Both died in 1804 in their seventies. Sons were:- John (1757) Thomas (1761) Alexander (1765: died at 20) and George (1767). John took the mills (which must have returned to the Stills from Alexander Chesmer) and Thomas took Bletchingley Farm. Nothing heard of George after his birth. Daughter Ann, born 1756, died either at 26 or 83. Daughter Elizabeth married Thomas Hunt of Benenden, a widowed farmer, in 1781.

Bletchingley Farm, plus Eastlands (now Chapman's Farm) and Priestlands (now swallowed up into Bletchingley) was bought from the Love family by Sir Horatio Mann of Linton Park.1n 1776 in the deed CKS U78 T220 the Tenants of Eastlands were given as William Marchant > James Love > Alex. Chasmer. By 1778 the Staplehurst Parish Rate Book has "Alex. Chesmer & Co now Still", so I think that Bletchingley must be where John Still sen. had lived. From 1791-1827 a John Still held the Mill Farm, Lovehurst Manor. Was he the son of JS? He gave up the lease because of "heavy arrears of rent." The mill was so dilapidated that the incoming tenant had to rent another mill for a year while it was repaired.

Thomas Still sen.(he was senior from 1810) held Bletchingley in 1827 at a rateable value of £72, which may not include the figure for Snapgate aka Putlands Corner. These were both notionally 80-acre farms: in the 1820 Tithe Book Thos Still sen held 90 acres.

Thomas also married young, to Mary Osborne of Ashford by licence dated 7/9/1782, the marriage to be at Ashford. Sons were Thomas (1784 ) John (1786) Stephen (1791, died as infant) George (1795)
and his only daughter Sophia Maria (1798). She, as you know, is your ancestress.

In 1788 "Master Still greatly hurt by a fall from his colt" - note in the Nonconformist Chapel Register, again making their Nonconformity likely. I have no idea which Master Still that was. CKS N/C 347 A2.


TS sen's probate was passed on 30/12/1837. According to the Staplehurst Parish Register he was buried on 20 November 1837. His widow Mary died on 9/7/1839, so Thomas Still's possessions were auctioned on 8/10/1839. These included mahogany four-post and tent bedsteads, capital feather beds and bedding, mattresses, mahogany and painted drawers, mahogany and other chairs, mahogany dining, Pembroke and other tables, mahogany bureau, pier and dressing glasses, carpets, hand stands (?), barometer, thirty-hour clock, kitchen utensils etc.

Soon after 1839 the trustees sold off Lindridge Farm, which I think is where old Mrs Still was living. The picture is complicated because John died in 1837 too, before his father. He had rented Exhurst till 1824, also Sweetings, Fleet Farm and Clapper 2. Taylors land is now part of Sweetings Farm. I'm not sure which of the others is meant by Gullens Farm, mentioned in Thomas' will. It may be the other part of Sweetings Farm. Clapper 2 and Robinson's land was also sold by George in 1838.

Poor Thomas Still jun., the eldest son, was the proprietor of the (new) windmill in Staplehurst in 1823, when country millers were being savagely and fatally undercut by mills on the coast which could grind cheap imported grain and sell it for less than the unprocessed inland wheat. No wonder father was bailing him out! He had 8 children, too. I've traced his son Henry, born in 1814. In 1851 he was a policeman at the Royal Docks in Sheppey.

In the 1861 census there was still a Still in Staplehurst, George & his wife Mary Ann at Bletchingley Farm and Snapgate (Putlands Corner), because he was farming 150 acres. The house at Snapgate had been divided into 2 labourers' cottages. Mary Ann "of Staplehurst" died in 1864 aged 55: George "of Maidstone" died in1869 aged 73, so he had moved on by then. He was buried next to his father, with twin gravestones embellished with the Eye of God looking out over the main road. The farms were bought by the local magnate, Henry Hoare of Iden Manor.

I think that Thomas senior was the Still mentioned by Robert Barling.
1. He was a farmer not a miller.
2. He lived down atrocious roads, in the right direction.
3. He was Nonconformist: he shouldn't have sworn.
Q.E.D?

Best wishes.
Anita Thompson
Graham Hoadly.
2"Index to the Arrivals from British Ports in Victoria".
Text From Source: Index to the Arrivals from British Ports in Victoria. (Consulted by Ainslie Sharpe)
3Anita Thompson, "Staplehurst Local History Society" (email to Graham Hoadly). Custom Id: 19/10/2004. From 1791-1827 a John Still held the Mill Farm, Lovehurst Manor. Was he the son of JS? He gave up the lease because of "heavy arrears of rent." The mill was so dilapidated that the incoming tenant had to rent another mill for a year while it was repaired. Cit. Date: 19 October 2004. Assessment: Questionable.
Text From Source: From: Anita Thompson via Allan Rimmer <awcebd@mistral.co.uk>
To: Graham Hoadly<graham@hoadlyg.freeserve.co.uk>
On 14 October 2004
Re: The Still family in Staplehurst.

Thank you for Thomas Still's will dated 4/7/1835 and proved 30/12/1837. I haven't seen it before, and it makes many things plain, mostly what a good farmer and businessman he must have been to pull through the 1830s still having any assets at all.

The family were Nonconformist, in parts, (they must have been for Thomas Still sen. to have appointed William Jull as an executor in 1837: he was a Deacon in the Nonconformist Chapel as well as a grocer). I think John Still, son-in-law of Sander Chesmer, miller, came to Staplehurst first . Sander Chesmer used both the watermill at Lovehurst when there was water enough, and the windmill which once stood at the top of Bell Lane opposite the Church. Sander Chesmer's will, undated, was made pre-1765, and can be found at CKS PRC 17/99.158. He left his daughters Catherine Still and Mary Chesmer £50 each, to make them equal to their sisters Ann and Elizabeth. He left his son Alexander Chesmer the leases of the mills, plus £100 in cash, and John Still the lease of the farm he now lives in, and he made both his son Alexander Chesmer and John Still executors of his will. He was buried on 27 April 1774, and probate was given on 30 June 1774. I think the Chesmers came from Benenden. Catharine was 3 years older than John: I would think he had been apprenticed to her father. When their first child Ann was born in 1756, he was 22 and she 25.

Both died in 1804 in their seventies. Sons were:- John (1757) Thomas (1761) Alexander (1765: died at 20) and George (1767). John took the mills (which must have returned to the Stills from Alexander Chesmer) and Thomas took Bletchingley Farm. Nothing heard of George after his birth. Daughter Ann, born 1756, died either at 26 or 83. Daughter Elizabeth married Thomas Hunt of Benenden, a widowed farmer, in 1781.

Bletchingley Farm, plus Eastlands (now Chapman's Farm) and Priestlands (now swallowed up into Bletchingley) was bought from the Love family by Sir Horatio Mann of Linton Park.1n 1776 in the deed CKS U78 T220 the Tenants of Eastlands were given as William Marchant > James Love > Alex. Chasmer. By 1778 the Staplehurst Parish Rate Book has "Alex. Chesmer & Co now Still", so I think that Bletchingley must be where John Still sen. had lived. From 1791-1827 a John Still held the Mill Farm, Lovehurst Manor. Was he the son of JS? He gave up the lease because of "heavy arrears of rent." The mill was so dilapidated that the incoming tenant had to rent another mill for a year while it was repaired.

Thomas Still sen.(he was senior from 1810) held Bletchingley in 1827 at a rateable value of £72, which may not include the figure for Snapgate aka Putlands Corner. These were both notionally 80-acre farms: in the 1820 Tithe Book Thos Still sen held 90 acres.

Thomas also married young, to Mary Osborne of Ashford by licence dated 7/9/1782, the marriage to be at Ashford. Sons were Thomas (1784 ) John (1786) Stephen (1791, died as infant) George (1795)
and his only daughter Sophia Maria (1798). She, as you know, is your ancestress.

In 1788 "Master Still greatly hurt by a fall from his colt" - note in the Nonconformist Chapel Register, again making their Nonconformity likely. I have no idea which Master Still that was. CKS N/C 347 A2.


TS sen's probate was passed on 30/12/1837. According to the Staplehurst Parish Register he was buried on 20 November 1837. His widow Mary died on 9/7/1839, so Thomas Still's possessions were auctioned on 8/10/1839. These included mahogany four-post and tent bedsteads, capital feather beds and bedding, mattresses, mahogany and painted drawers, mahogany and other chairs, mahogany dining, Pembroke and other tables, mahogany bureau, pier and dressing glasses, carpets, hand stands (?), barometer, thirty-hour clock, kitchen utensils etc.

Soon after 1839 the trustees sold off Lindridge Farm, which I think is where old Mrs Still was living. The picture is complicated because John died in 1837 too, before his father. He had rented Exhurst till 1824, also Sweetings, Fleet Farm and Clapper 2. Taylors land is now part of Sweetings Farm. I'm not sure which of the others is meant by Gullens Farm, mentioned in Thomas' will. It may be the other part of Sweetings Farm. Clapper 2 and Robinson's land was also sold by George in 1838.

Poor Thomas Still jun., the eldest son, was the proprietor of the (new) windmill in Staplehurst in 1823, when country millers were being savagely and fatally undercut by mills on the coast which could grind cheap imported grain and sell it for less than the unprocessed inland wheat. No wonder father was bailing him out! He had 8 children, too. I've traced his son Henry, born in 1814. In 1851 he was a policeman at the Royal Docks in Sheppey.

In the 1861 census there was still a Still in Staplehurst, George & his wife Mary Ann at Bletchingley Farm and Snapgate (Putlands Corner), because he was farming 150 acres. The house at Snapgate had been divided into 2 labourers' cottages. Mary Ann "of Staplehurst" died in 1864 aged 55: George "of Maidstone" died in1869 aged 73, so he had moved on by then. He was buried next to his father, with twin gravestones embellished with the Eye of God looking out over the main road. The farms were bought by the local magnate, Henry Hoare of Iden Manor.

I think that Thomas senior was the Still mentioned by Robert Barling.
1. He was a farmer not a miller.
2. He lived down atrocious roads, in the right direction.
3. He was Nonconformist: he shouldn't have sworn.
Q.E.D?

Best wishes.
Anita Thompson
Graham Hoadly.
4"Census 1841 (John Still) Staplehurst, Kent HO 107/475/22/6/25a".
Text From Source: 6 25a 36 John Still 80 Miller y
6 25a 36 Ann Still 80 y
Assessment: Primary evidence.
5Staplehurst Burial registers.
Text From Source: Staplehurst Burial registers, Kent Archive Office, Maidstone
Staplehurst Burials: 1813 - 1873. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: bur Jan 18 1845 John Still age 87, Williams Curate
Centre for Kentish Studies / Kent County Archives Service, Sessions House, County Hall, Maidstone, Kent, ME14 1XQ. Tel: 01622 694 363.
6Ibid. Staplehurst Burials: 1813-1873. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: bur Jan 18 1845 John Still age 87, Williams Curate
7Robert Barling, "Robert Barling Letter Aug 1898".
Text From Source: Staplehurst Aug 31 1898


Dear Mr Still

My Father's surmise was correct. Sandhurst Hill is in the direct way through Bodiam Cripps corner and Sedlescomb I was in the two latter places last June.
Your Grandfather was a fine old gentleman Farmer, a Yeoman. I knew nothing of his father, he had a brother who I knew Mr John Still who occupied Lovehurst Mill. I think from his appearance he must have been older than your grandfather.
Just about two months ago a friend of mine was driving me over the plain and along Cockle Wood in his four wheel chaise at about eight miles an hour, the road was nearly as smooth as Holborn Viaduct.
A man was at work cutting the turf on the sides of the road now a days we must have beauty as well as utility, so these old [lannes] as we called them must be kept exactly an even width from the turf on each side. I could but admire the neatness especially at the curves all as neat as a gentlemans coach road, then I thought of the Dock Plank, and the mud road of my early days. A gentleman wrote me that he would like to se a ladys turban, have you seen one? Do you know what a dock plank is? Do you know what a pillion is? I had to correct the composition he put it pillow. Evidently he did not know what a pillion was. I expect to go to Beckenham for a fortnight toward the middle of September. I have a daughter and also a Grandson living there. When this way please call as I shall be glad to see you if at home. A well known gentleman at Woolwich of the name of Richardson I knew very well [and] he knows me. I am not aware if you know him. I sympathise with you in your bereavement you say nothing of Mrs Still so I assume that she is living. Your brother Mr George wrote me that he expected your Brother to lunch at Southampton on Saturday last, should he have come to lunch send me a post card as I shall like to know. I enclose a couple more sheets. I had 200 printed and have given away over 150 so must now be a little careful. I believe you are the youngest son of the late Mr George Still.
With my kind regards to yourself and other, or others I hope.

Yours truly

Robert Barling
Letter from Robert Barling oif Staplehurst to David Usborne Still.
Original letter in possession of Roger Tringham.
Roger Tringham, Hallow, Worcestershire.
8Anita Thompson, "Researches of Anita Thompson".
Text From Source: Thank you for Thomas Still's will dated 4/7/1835 and proved 30/12/1837. I haven't seen it before, and it makes many things plain, mostly what a good farmer and businessman he must have been to pull through the 1830s still having any assets at all.

The family were Nonconformist, in parts, (they must have been for Thomas Still sen. to have appointed William Jull as an executor in 1837: he was a Deacon in the Nonconformist Chapel as well as a grocer). I think John Still, son-in-law of Sander Chesmer, miller, came to Staplehurst first . Sander Chesmer used both the watermill at Lovehurst when there was water enough, and the windmill which once stood at the top of Bell Lane opposite the Church. Sander Chesmer's will, undated, was made pre-1765, and can be found at CKS PRC 17/99.158. He left his daughters Catherine Still and Mary Chesmer £50 each, to make them equal to their sisters Ann and Elizabeth. He left his son Alexander Chesmer the leases of the mills, plus £100 in cash, and John Still the lease of the farm he now lives in, and he made both his son Alexander Chesmer and John Still executors of his will. He was buried on 27 April 1774, and probate was given on 30 June 1774. I think the Chesmers came from Benenden. Catharine was 3 years older than John: I would think he had been apprenticed to her father. When their first child Ann was born in 1756, he was 22 and she 25.

Both died in 1804 in their seventies. Sons were:- John (1757) Thomas (1761) Alexander (1765: died at 20) and George (1767). John took the mills (which must have returned to the Stills from Alexander Chesmer) and Thomas took Bletchingley Farm. Nothing heard of George after his birth. Daughter Ann, born 1756, died either at 26 or 83. Daughter Elizabeth married Thomas Hunt of Benenden, a widowed farmer, in 1781.

Bletchingley Farm, plus Eastlands (now Chapman's Farm) and Priestlands (now swallowed up into Bletchingley) was bought from the Love family by Sir Horatio Mann of Linton Park.1n 1776 in the deed CKS U78 T220 the Tenants of Eastlands were given as William Marchant > James Love > Alex. Chasmer. By 1778 the Staplehurst Parish Rate Book has "Alex. Chesmer & Co now Still", so I think that Bletchingley must be where John Still sen. had lived. From 1791-1827 a John Still held the Mill Farm, Lovehurst Manor. Was he the son of JS? He gave up the lease because of "heavy arrears of rent." The mill was so dilapidated that the incoming tenant had to rent another mill for a year while it was repaired.

Thomas Still sen.(he was senior from 1810) held Bletchingley in 1827 at a rateable value of £72, which may not include the figure for Snapgate aka Putlands Corner. These were both notionally 80-acre farms: in the 1820 Tithe Book Thos Still sen held 90 acres.

Thomas also married young, to Mary Osborne of Ashford by licence dated 7/9/1782, the marriage to be at Ashford. Sons were Thomas (1784 ) John (1786) Stephen (1791, died as infant) George (1795)
and his only daughter Sophia Maria (1798). She, as you know, is your ancestress.

In 1788 "Master Still greatly hurt by a fall from his colt" - note in the Nonconformist Chapel Register, again making their Nonconformity likely. I have no idea which Master Still that was. CKS N/C 347 A2.


TS sen's probate was passed on 30/12/1837. According to the Staplehurst Parish Register he was buried on 20 November 1837. His widow Mary died on 9/7/1839, so Thomas Still's possessions were auctioned on 8/10/1839. These included mahogany four-post and tent bedsteads, capital feather beds and bedding, mattresses, mahogany and painted drawers, mahogany and other chairs, mahogany dining, Pembroke and other tables, mahogany bureau, pier and dressing glasses, carpets, hand stands (?), barometer, thirty-hour clock, kitchen utensils etc.

Soon after 1839 the trustees sold off Lindridge Farm, which I think is where old Mrs Still was living. The picture is complicated because John died in 1837 too, before his father. He had rented Exhurst till 1824, also Sweetings, Fleet Farm and Clapper 2. Taylors land is now part of Sweetings Farm. I'm not sure which of the others is meant by Gullens Farm, mentioned in Thomas' will. It may be the other part of Sweetings Farm. Clapper 2 and Robinson's land was also sold by George in 1838.

Poor Thomas Still jun., the eldest son, was the proprietor of the (new) windmill in Staplehurst in 1823, when country millers were being savagely and fatally undercut by mills on the coast which could grind cheap imported grain and sell it for less than the unprocessed inland wheat. No wonder father was bailing him out! He had 8 children, too. I've traced his son Henry, born in 1814. In 1851 he was a policeman at the Royal Docks in Sheppey.

In the 1861 census there was still a Still in Staplehurst, George & his wife Mary Ann at Bletchingley Farm and Snapgate (Putlands Corner), because he was farming 150 acres. The house at Snapgate had been divided into 2 labourers' cottages. Mary Ann "of Staplehurst" died in 1864 aged 55: George "of Maidstone" died in1869 aged 73, so he had moved on by then. He was buried next to his father, with twin gravestones embellished with the Eye of God looking out over the main road. The farms were bought by the local magnate, Henry Hoare of Iden Manor.

I think that Thomas senior was the Still mentioned by Robert Barling.
1. He was a farmer not a miller.
2. He lived down atrocious roads, in the right direction.
3. He was Nonconformist: he shouldn't have sworn.
Q.E.D?
The notes attached were kindly supplied to Graham Hoadly in 2004 by intrepid, meticulous and wonderful Staplehurst Local Historian Anita Thompson - for which he is exceedingly grateful.