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Family of John Edward Reginald ELLIS and Myrtle ORCHARD

Husband: John Edward Reginald ELLIS (1893-c. 1963)
Wife: Myrtle ORCHARD (1902-1987)
Children: Maureen Hazel ELLIS (1924-1989)
Christopher Reginald ELLIS (1928- )
Status: Divorced
Marriage 22 Sep 1923 Shrewsbury, Shropshire1
Church of Our Lady, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Living at Charnwood, Copthorne Road, Shrewsbury

Husband: John Edward Reginald ELLIS

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John Edward Reginald ELLIS

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John Edward Reginald ELLIS

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John Edward Reginald ELLIS

Name: John Edward Reginald ELLIS2
Sex: Male
Father: John Edward ELLIS ( - )
Mother: Margaret PARSONS ( - )
Birth 11 Dec 1893 Arscott, Shropshire3
Occupation Railway Clerk4
Emigration 13 Oct 1927 (age 33) from Liverpool, Lancs. to New York, N.Y., USA5
Kingston House, St Alkmund's Square, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Death c. 1963 (age 69-70) New York, N.Y., USA4

Wife: Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD, c. 1932, age 30

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Myrtle ORCHARD, 1907, age 5

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Myrtle ORCHARD, c. 1933, age 31

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD, 1929, age 27

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Myrtle ORCHARD, 1921, age 19

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

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Myrtle ORCHARD

Name: Myrtle ORCHARD
Sex: Female
Nickname: Mike
Father: Frederick William ORCHARD (1868-1925)
Mother: May HENDRICK (1876-1958)
Birth 23 Mar 1902 Ellesmere, Shropshire6
Census 2 Apr 1911 (age 9) Cork, Ireland7
5 Tuckey Street, Cork, County Cork, Ireland
Occupation 2 Apr 1911 (age 9) Scholar; Cork, Ireland7
Religion 2 Apr 1911 (age 9) Roman Catholic7
Emigration 13 Oct 1927 (age 25) from Liverpool, Lancs. to New York, N.Y., USA8
Kingston House, St Alkmund's Square, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Census 29 Sep 1939 (age 37) Shrewsbury M.B., Shropshire, England9
9 Victoria Street
Occupation 29 Sep 1939 (age 37) Unpaid Domestic Duties; Shrewsbury M.B., Shropshire, England9
Death 24 Jul 1987 (age 85) Shifnal, Shropshire
Cottage Hospital, Shifnal, Shropshire
Burial 31 Jul 1987 Shrewsbury, Shropshire
New Cemetery, Shrewsbury, Shropshire

Child 1: Maureen Hazel ELLIS

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Maureen Hazel ELLIS

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Maureen Hazel ELLIS

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Maureen Hazel ELLIS

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Spouse: George BUTT

Name: Maureen Hazel ELLIS
Sex: Female
Spouse: George BUTT ( - )
Birth 29 Mar 1924 Shrewsbury, Shropshire10
Emigration 13 Oct 1927 (age 3) from Liverpool, Lancs. to New York, N.Y., USA11
Kingston House, St Alkmund's Square, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Census 29 Sep 1939 (age 15) Shrewsbury M.B., Shropshire, England9
9 Victoria Street
Occupation 29 Sep 1939 (age 15) Junior Clerk Engineering Works ? Department; Shrewsbury M.B., Shropshire, England9
Death Jul 1989 (age 65) Bournemouth, Dorset4,12

Child 2: Christopher Reginald ELLIS

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Christopher Reginald ELLIS

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Christopher Reginald ELLIS

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Christopher Reginald ELLIS

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Christopher Reginald ELLIS

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Christopher Reginald ELLIS

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Christopher Reginald ELLIS

Name: Christopher Reginald ELLIS
Sex: Male
Birth 25 Dec 1928 Shrewsbury, Shropshire13
Census 29 Sep 1939 (age 10) Shrewsbury M.B., Shropshire, England9
9 Victoria Street

Note on Husband: John Edward Reginald ELLIS (1)

Chris Ellis's father was called Reginald (Reg) Ellis and as I understand it Myrtles father died in 1927 and the family was quite poor. As I said there were 13 children and they would have been aged between 8 and 29. Some time after that Myrtle and her Husband Reg Ellis (they married in 1923) went off to America, perumably to "seek their fortune" or the promise of a better life and Myrtles younger brother John (aka Jack) went with them. I don't know exactly when it was but I was told that Myrtle returned on her own pregnant with Chris which would have been 1929. I would imagine that things in America were pretty bad as it was the time of the gretat depression and the Wall Street Crash so I don't suppose it was easy.14

Note on Husband: John Edward Reginald ELLIS (2)

Went to Ellesmere college.

Reg went to USA plus Myrtle and Maureen and Jack Orchard (who may have lived in Boston)

Myrtle returned in 1928 - Chris born the following year.

Divorced Reg a few years later - prob 1932-ish.4

Note on Husband: John Edward Reginald ELLIS (3)

There was a great aunt Kitty (Ellis)who had children Kathleen and Violet - Hazel was friendly with them

She lived at a house called Acharn on Copthorne Bank

Violet married a Lear and had on e child - a boy

Grandpa Ellis's money went to them4

Note on Husband: John Edward Reginald ELLIS (4)

Died about 1963 in USA - Brooklyn - 1120 Westbury Court, Flatbush Avenue, Brooklyn New York - where he was managing a large apartment block

Note on Wife: Myrtle ORCHARD (1) - shared note

Had two children from her first marriage.

Took Chris to a big hotel in London where he met his father Reg - Chris's aunt Nell took him to the zoo while Myrtle and Reg sorted their divorce. I.E. circa 1931 / 2.

This was the only time he ever met Reg until he was grown up.

Note on Wife: Myrtle ORCHARD (2)

Myrtle born Brownlow Rd Ellesmere.

From there back to Cork

Back to Shrewsbury circa 1915 - living at Charnwood Copthorne Rd.

Married Reg - lived in a village outside Shrewsbury where he was a signalman.

After Maureen born they moved to New York - Reg became private secretary to Mrs Reginald de Koven - on Park Avenue.

She Mrs de K kept the house as a shrine to he husband.

The family lived in - no place for a child so Maureen was sent to live with a Nelly Davis in New Jersey which upset Myrtle.

Myrtle had to act as a maid which she didn't care for a bit.

In 1928 was pregnant with Chris - so she decided to return to her own mother in UK.

Ostensibly, Reg was supposed to get another job or arrange living accomodation - but this didn't happen.

So Myrtle sailed back in 1928 - she didn't like New York, or her father in law who was a butler but probably mixed up in bootlegging.

When she returned she lived at the family home - Kingston House in St Alkmund Square.

They moved from there about 1931 to 26 Victoria Street.

When she married Trevor in 1934 - they went to 20 Benyon Street, whilst Maureen and Chris remained at 26 Victoria Street.

In 1937 Chris Maureen joined their parents in 12 First Terrace.

Freddie Steele was killed by a bus on the Comet Bridge Ditherington, (1938ish) and that prompted Myrtle to move away as it was dangerous there.

By 1939 they had moved to 9 Victoria Street. Owned by Mr Cock the baker.

Rented (12/6 a week)- couldn't buy due of housing shortage during war.

House deteriorated - couldn't get repairs done - Cock went bankrupt so house went up for sale by which time they were sitting tenants.

Chris bought number 9 for his parents in late 50s early 60s.

Trevor had to go to hospital .

Neighbours looked in to check on the couple.

Chris found both collapsed one day - both made to go to hospital.

Trevor died in hospital, and Myrtle unable to look after herself had to remain in hospital.4

Note on Wife: Myrtle ORCHARD (3)

Anna de Koven

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Anna Farwell de Koven (November 19, 1862 - January 12, 1953) was an American novelist, historian and socialite. The wife of famed composer Reginald de Koven and the daughter of senator Charles B. Farwell, she published her works as Mrs. Reginald de Koven. A well-known society hostess, she and her husband gave many musical receptions while living in their home in Irving Place in New York. An amateur athlete, she wrote in Good Housekeeping that "no sport is too reckless, too daring, or too strenuous for the more experienced among athletic American women."[1] Her novels included 1895's a Sawdust Doll, published by Stone and Kimball as part of "the Peacock Library." Her non-fictional works included a two-volume biography of John Paul Jones, published in 1913, and a study of spiritualism entitled a Cloud of Witnesses published in 1920.

 

Reginald de Koven

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Reginald de Koven in 1904Henry Louis Reginald De Koven (April 3, 1859 – January 16, 1920) was an American music critic and prolific composer, particularly of comic operas.

 

 

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De Koven was born in Middletown, Connecticut, and moved to Europe in 1870, where he received the majority of his education. He graduated from St John's College of Oxford University in England in 1879. He undertook various musical studies at Stuttgart with Speidel and with Lebert and Pruckner. He studied composition at Frankfurt with Dr. Hauff, and after staying there for six months moved on to Florence, Italy, where he studied singing with Vanuccini. Study in operatic composition followed, first with Richard Genée, in Vienna, and then with Léo Delibes, in Paris.

 

De Koven returned to the U.S. in 1882 to live in Chicago, Illinois, and later lived in New York. He was able to find scope for his wide musical knowledge as a critic with Chicago's Evening Post, Harper's Weekly and New York World. Many of his songs became popular, especially "Oh Promise Me", with words by Clement Scott, which was one of the biggest song successes of its time and remains a wedding standard.

 

Between 1887 and 1913, de Koven composed 20 light operas, in addition to hundreds of songs, orchestral works, sonatas and ballets. While Victor Herbert's operettas were heavily influencedy by those of continental operetta composers, De Koven's works were patterned after Gilbert and Sullivan.[1] His greatest success was Robin Hood, which premiered in Chicago in 1890 but was performed all across the country.[2] It played in New York at the Standard Theatre and in London, in 1891, and at New York's Garden Theatre in 1892. His other operettas included The Fencing Master (1892, Casino Theatre, New York); The Algerian (1893, Garden Theatre, New York); Rob Roy, first produced in Detroit, Michigan, 1894;[3] The Mandarin, produced in Cleveland, Ohio in 1896; The Highwayman (1897, Herald Square Theatre, New York)[4] and Maid Marian (1901 Garden Theatre, New York). Harry B. Smith wrote the libretti for many of his comic operas.

 

From 1902 to 1904, de Koven conducted the Washington, D.C. symphony. His wife, Anna de Koven, was a well-known socialite, novelist and amateur historian who published her works under the name "Mrs. Reginald de Koven." The music press doubted that de Koven could compose serious operas. His opera The Canterbury Pilgrims (with a libretto by poet and dramatist Percy MacKaye) premiered at the Metropolitan Opera in 1917.[5] He composed a second opera, Rip Van Winkle (also with a libretto by MacKaye) prior to his death but was unable to see it performed in 1920 in Chicago.

 

One obituary read: he proved that "the American stage was not dependent upon foreign composers."

 

The Reginald and Anna DeKoven House, at 1025 Park Avenue, was built by John Russell Pope in 1912 for light-opera composer Reginald DeKoven and his wife, the writer Anna de Koven. The brick and limestone mansion is designed in Jacobean Revival style.

 

The Reginald and Anna DeKoven House was designated a landmark by the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission in 1986.

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1Peter Smith, "Email from Peter Smith".
Email to Graham Hoadly sent 21 September 2004.
Text From Source: Hi Graham,

Thanks a lot for the photos. I really have very few photos of the family and my immediate family haven't been able to produce many so I have rather been hoping that I would make some contacts through Genes Reunited who might have some. So thanks. It is fantastic that in this digital age photos can be shared so easily.

I also love the early photo of Myrtle. I was amazed when I first saw it because my memories of Myrtle were in her seventies, I guess. A classic "old lady" to teenage eyes and I always picture her walking up Victoria Street with a fag hanging out of her mouth. And then in the old picture she just looks so galmourous. I would easily have believed it was a picture of a twenties or thirties film star. You somehow don't think that your older grandparents and aunts were young once.

I didn't recognise anyone else in the photos except Myrtles mum Mary (or May) which you had correctly guessed. Do you know the names of Maureens children? My younger brother Steve remembers going to Myrtles in the summer holidays and playing with a boy of his own age (he was born in 1965) called Vincent. he thought it was Maureens son. They used to play scrabble with Myrtle.

I remember the shop next to No 4 Victoria Street. Mainly I remember it being empty and then being knocked down. Our house was at the top of Victoria Street on the other side from No4 and directly opposite No1. I went back to look at Victoria Street a few years back and the street seemed so narrow and all the palces I used to play seemed very small!.The 1920s picture is interesting. I think it is the only time I have seen the street without cars parked down one side. I remember my Nan telling me that the street used to called Coffin Street but I don't know how true that is. It would presumably have been in pr Victorian times.

Chris Ellis's father was called Reginald (Reg) Ellis and as I understand it Myrtles father died in 1927 and the family was quite poor. As I said there were 13 children and they would have been aged between 8 and 29. Some time after that Myrtle and her Husband Reg Ellis (they married in 1923) went off to America, perumably to "seek their fortune" or the promise of a better life and Myrtles younger brother John (aka Jack) went with them. I don't know exactly when it was but I was told that Myrtle returned on her own pregnant with Chris which would have been 1929. I would imagine that things in America were pretty bad as it was the time of the gretat depression and theWall Street Crash so I don't suppose it was easy.

By a stroke of luck (and the internet) I made contact with John Orchard's granddaughter in America a couple of years ago. When she was 8 or 9 she had overheard her parents talking to her grandmother and it came out that her "Grandfather" wasn't her real grandfather but it was John Orchard from Ireland. (Some of Myrtles siblings were actually born in Ireland becuse their Father was stationed there with the Army). The Granddaughter, Debbie, asked about it the next day and opened up a "can of worms" as her parents and grandmother were angry that she had found out and told her never to raise the subject again. Unfortunately she could not let it rest and it has caused a rift between them ever since. The long and the short of it is that John Married Charlotte Mandell ,Debbie's Grandmother, sometime in the thirties and he had commited suicide in 1947 aged 37. I have got a copy of the death certificate and it is definitely the same John Orchard as it lists his date of birth , parents etc. The grandparents refuse point blank to talk about the subject so any further information about John will probably never be known. I have not found any trace at all of Reginald Ellis so I don't know if he stayed in America or not. Myrtle remarried (Trevor) in 1934 so must have got divorced sometime in between. I can imagine it could have been quite scandalous at thet time especially as the family were Catholics.

Any way I had better go now. I have attached a photo of Myrtles father Frederick William Orcahrd who was a Colour Sergeant in the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry. It was the thing that set me off on Family History and I look a bit like him though not such a well cultivated moustache!

Keep in touch

All the best

Pete
Graham Hoadly.
2Ibid. Chris Ellis's father was called Reginald (Reg) Ellis and as I understand it Myrtles father died in 1927 and the family was quite poor. As I said there were 13 children and they would have been aged between 8 and 29. Some time after that Myrtle and her Husband Reg Ellis (they married in 1923) went off to America, perumably to "seek their fortune" or the promise of a better life and Myrtles younger brother John (aka Jack) went with them. I don't know exactly when it was but I was told that Myrtle returned on her own pregnant with Chris which would have been 1929. I would imagine that things in America were pretty bad as it was the time of the gretat depression and theWall Street Crash so I don't suppose it was easy. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Hi Graham,

Thanks a lot for the photos. I really have very few photos of the family and my immediate family haven't been able to produce many so I have rather been hoping that I would make some contacts through Genes Reunited who might have some. So thanks. It is fantastic that in this digital age photos can be shared so easily.

I also love the early photo of Myrtle. I was amazed when I first saw it because my memories of Myrtle were in her seventies, I guess. A classic "old lady" to teenage eyes and I always picture her walking up Victoria Street with a fag hanging out of her mouth. And then in the old picture she just looks so galmourous. I would easily have believed it was a picture of a twenties or thirties film star. You somehow don't think that your older grandparents and aunts were young once.

I didn't recognise anyone else in the photos except Myrtles mum Mary (or May) which you had correctly guessed. Do you know the names of Maureens children? My younger brother Steve remembers going to Myrtles in the summer holidays and playing with a boy of his own age (he was born in 1965) called Vincent. he thought it was Maureens son. They used to play scrabble with Myrtle.

I remember the shop next to No 4 Victoria Street. Mainly I remember it being empty and then being knocked down. Our house was at the top of Victoria Street on the other side from No4 and directly opposite No1. I went back to look at Victoria Street a few years back and the street seemed so narrow and all the palces I used to play seemed very small!.The 1920s picture is interesting. I think it is the only time I have seen the street without cars parked down one side. I remember my Nan telling me that the street used to called Coffin Street but I don't know how true that is. It would presumably have been in pr Victorian times.

Chris Ellis's father was called Reginald (Reg) Ellis and as I understand it Myrtles father died in 1927 and the family was quite poor. As I said there were 13 children and they would have been aged between 8 and 29. Some time after that Myrtle and her Husband Reg Ellis (they married in 1923) went off to America, perumably to "seek their fortune" or the promise of a better life and Myrtles younger brother John (aka Jack) went with them. I don't know exactly when it was but I was told that Myrtle returned on her own pregnant with Chris which would have been 1929. I would imagine that things in America were pretty bad as it was the time of the gretat depression and theWall Street Crash so I don't suppose it was easy.

By a stroke of luck (and the internet) I made contact with John Orchard's granddaughter in America a couple of years ago. When she was 8 or 9 she had overheard her parents talking to her grandmother and it came out that her "Grandfather" wasn't her real grandfather but it was John Orchard from Ireland. (Some of Myrtles siblings were actually born in Ireland becuse their Father was stationed there with the Army). The Granddaughter, Debbie, asked about it the next day and opened up a "can of worms" as her parents and grandmother were angry that she had found out and told her never to raise the subject again. Unfortunately she could not let it rest and it has caused a rift between them ever since. The long and the short of it is that John Married Charlotte Mandell ,Debbie's Grandmother, sometime in the thirties and he had commited suicide in 1947 aged 37. I have got a copy of the death certificate and it is definitely the same John Orchard as it lists his date of birth , parents etc. The grandparents refuse point blank to talk about the subject so any further information about John will probably never be known. I have not found any trace at all of Reginald Ellis so I don't know if he stayed in America or not. Myrtle remarried (Trevor) in 1934 so must have got divorced sometime in between. I can imagine it could have been quite scandalous at thet time especially as the family were Catholics.

Any way I had better go now. I have attached a photo of Myrtles father Frederick William Orcahrd who was a Colour Sergeant in the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry. It was the thing that set me off on Family History and I look a bit like him though not such a well cultivated moustache!

Keep in touch

All the best

Pete
3"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
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Ellis John Edward [RB] Atcham 6a 631
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
4"Chris Ellis".
5"FindMyPast". Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: passenger transcript details
Name: Mr John ELLIS
Date of departure: 13 October 1927
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1894 (calculated from age)
Age: 33
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Railway Employee
Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 24





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Miss Maureen ELLIS Page 16 of 24 View transcript
Mrs Myrtle ELLIS Page 16 of 24 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
ADRIATIC
124061
V W Hickson
White Star
New York, USA
15873
24562
343
6"Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/" (Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1902
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Orchard Myrtle Ellesmere 6a 726
Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic).
7"Census 1911 Cork, Ireland".
Text From Source: Name,Relation,Religion,Education,Age,Occupation,Marriage Status,Marriage years,Total children,Children still living,Born,Irish Language,Infirmity
Frederick William ORCHARD,Head,Church of England,Read and Write,43,Army Pensioner,Married,16,11,10,England,,
May ORCHARD,Wife,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,34,Army Pensioner,Married,,,,Cork, City,,
Nellie May ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,14,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Frederick Hugh ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,13,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Hazel ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,11,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Myrtle ORCHARD,Mother,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,9,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Charles Henry ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Read and Write,7,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Iris ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Read,6,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
Oswald Roland ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,4,Scholar,Single,,,,England,,
John Reginald ORCHARD,Son,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,1,,Single,,,,Cork, City,,
Louisa Mary ORCHARD,Daughter,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,8m,,Single,,,,Cork, City,,
Ivy Esther ORCHARD,Head,Roman Catholic,Cannot Read,3,,Single,,,,Cork, City,,
8"FindMyPast". Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: passenger transcript details
Name: Mrs Myrtle ELLIS
Date of departure: 13 October 1927
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1902 (calculated from age)
Age: 25
Marital status: Married
Sex: Female
Occupation: Housewife
Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 24





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Mr John ELLIS Page 16 of 24 View transcript
Miss Maureen ELLIS Page 16 of 24 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
ADRIATIC
124061
V W Hickson
White Star
New York, USA
15873
24562
343
9"Census 1939 Shrewsbury M.B., Shropshire, England RG101/5184H/020/6 Letter Code: OILY" (RG101/5184H/020/6 Letter Code: OILY).
Text From Source: Name of person,Married name,Gender,Birthdate,Condition as to marriage,Rank, Profession or Occupation,Occupation comment,Comments
Trevor V ROBERTS,,M,21 OCT 1900,Married,Senior Clerk Engineering Works Accounts Representative,,
Myrtle ROBERTS,,F,23 MAR 1902,Married,Unpaid Domestic Duties,,
Maureen H ELLIS,Butt,F,29 MAR 1924,Single,Junior Clerk Engineering Works ? Department,,
Christopher Reginald ELLIS,,M,25 DEC 1928,,,,[Redacted 2016]
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Source: Census 1939 Shrewsbury M.B., Shropshire, England RG101/5184H/020/6 Letter Code: OILY, Census UK 1939 RG101/5184H/020/6 Letter Code: OILY

10GRO Indexes.
Text From Source: BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: JAMES, Benjamin
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343

BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: STOREY, Jane
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343
Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Jun 1924

Maureen H. Ellis (Orchard)

Atcham 6a 987
Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street, LONDON, EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300.
11"FindMyPast". Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: passenger transcript details
Name: Miss Maureen ELLIS
Date of departure: 13 October 1927
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1924 (calculated from age)
Age: 3
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Child
Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 24





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Mr John ELLIS Page 16 of 24 View transcript
Mrs Myrtle ELLIS Page 16 of 24 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
ADRIATIC
124061
V W Hickson
White Star
New York, USA
15873
24562
343
12GRO Indexes.
Text From Source: BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: JAMES, Benjamin
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343

BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: STOREY, Jane
Registration District: Help St. George Hanover Square
County: London
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1A
Page No: Help 343
Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Maureen Hazel Butt
Name: Maureen Hazel Butt
Birth Date: 29 Mar 1924
Death Registration Month/Year: Jul 1989
Age at death (estimated): 65
Registration district: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 23
Page: 303
Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street, LONDON, EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300.
13Ibid. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Mar 1929

Christopher R. Ellis (Orchard)

Atcham 6a 846
14Peter Smith, "Email from Peter Smith".
Email to Graham Hoadly sent 21 September 2004.
Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Hi Graham,

Thanks a lot for the photos. I really have very few photos of the family and my immediate family haven't been able to produce many so I have rather been hoping that I would make some contacts through Genes Reunited who might have some. So thanks. It is fantastic that in this digital age photos can be shared so easily.

I also love the early photo of Myrtle. I was amazed when I first saw it because my memories of Myrtle were in her seventies, I guess. A classic "old lady" to teenage eyes and I always picture her walking up Victoria Street with a fag hanging out of her mouth. And then in the old picture she just looks so galmourous. I would easily have believed it was a picture of a twenties or thirties film star. You somehow don't think that your older grandparents and aunts were young once.

I didn't recognise anyone else in the photos except Myrtles mum Mary (or May) which you had correctly guessed. Do you know the names of Maureens children? My younger brother Steve remembers going to Myrtles in the summer holidays and playing with a boy of his own age (he was born in 1965) called Vincent. he thought it was Maureens son. They used to play scrabble with Myrtle.

I remember the shop next to No 4 Victoria Street. Mainly I remember it being empty and then being knocked down. Our house was at the top of Victoria Street on the other side from No4 and directly opposite No1. I went back to look at Victoria Street a few years back and the street seemed so narrow and all the palces I used to play seemed very small!.The 1920s picture is interesting. I think it is the only time I have seen the street without cars parked down one side. I remember my Nan telling me that the street used to called Coffin Street but I don't know how true that is. It would presumably have been in pr Victorian times.

Chris Ellis's father was called Reginald (Reg) Ellis and as I understand it Myrtles father died in 1927 and the family was quite poor. As I said there were 13 children and they would have been aged between 8 and 29. Some time after that Myrtle and her Husband Reg Ellis (they married in 1923) went off to America, perumably to "seek their fortune" or the promise of a better life and Myrtles younger brother John (aka Jack) went with them. I don't know exactly when it was but I was told that Myrtle returned on her own pregnant with Chris which would have been 1929. I would imagine that things in America were pretty bad as it was the time of the gretat depression and theWall Street Crash so I don't suppose it was easy.

By a stroke of luck (and the internet) I made contact with John Orchard's granddaughter in America a couple of years ago. When she was 8 or 9 she had overheard her parents talking to her grandmother and it came out that her "Grandfather" wasn't her real grandfather but it was John Orchard from Ireland. (Some of Myrtles siblings were actually born in Ireland becuse their Father was stationed there with the Army). The Granddaughter, Debbie, asked about it the next day and opened up a "can of worms" as her parents and grandmother were angry that she had found out and told her never to raise the subject again. Unfortunately she could not let it rest and it has caused a rift between them ever since. The long and the short of it is that John Married Charlotte Mandell ,Debbie's Grandmother, sometime in the thirties and he had commited suicide in 1947 aged 37. I have got a copy of the death certificate and it is definitely the same John Orchard as it lists his date of birth , parents etc. The grandparents refuse point blank to talk about the subject so any further information about John will probably never be known. I have not found any trace at all of Reginald Ellis so I don't know if he stayed in America or not. Myrtle remarried (Trevor) in 1934 so must have got divorced sometime in between. I can imagine it could have been quite scandalous at thet time especially as the family were Catholics.

Any way I had better go now. I have attached a photo of Myrtles father Frederick William Orcahrd who was a Colour Sergeant in the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry. It was the thing that set me off on Family History and I look a bit like him though not such a well cultivated moustache!

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Pete
Graham Hoadly.