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| Graham Eric HOADLY, 2006, age 51, Graham Hoadly 2006 | |
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| Father: Robert Charles HOADLY, Robert Charles Hoadly | |
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| Mother: Gwyneth ROBERTS | |
1 Graham Eric HOADLY (1955- ) [1]. Born 5 Jul 1955, Hornchurch, Essex. 1 34 The Avenue Hornchurch Essex. 3.00pm. Christened 1 Jul 1956, Stepney Green, London. 2 St Dunstan's Church, Stepney Green, London. By C. Edwyn Young; Rector of Stepney: Godparents: June Mayfield (1st Cousin) Brian Mayfield (Her husband) & Jack Hoadly. (Uncle).
2 Robert Charles HOADLY (1922- ) [2]. Born 11 Apr 1922, 147 Whitehorse Street, Stepney, St Dunstans, Ratcliff, London. 3 Christened 10 May 1922, St Dunstan's Church, Stepney Green. 4 "of 147 Whitehorse Street (baker) by By Arthur W. Mountford". Marr Gwyneth ROBERTS 27 Jan 1947, Shrewsbury, Shropshire. 5 St David's Presbyterian Church, Belmont, Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Administrative and biographical history: St. David's, Belmont was founded in 1905 when its building in Belmont Bank was completed. The chapel belongs to the Tabernacle District of the Montgomery and Shropshire Presbytery.
English meetings had been held by the Calvinistic Methodists in Shrewsbury since 1854 when Mrs Ebenezer Williams, wife of the minister of Hill's Lane Welsh Calvinistic Methodist Church, set up a class for non Welsh-speaking girls. This in turn became a Sunday School before moving to rented rooms in Claremont Hill.
In 1864 the community at Claremont Hill bought land to build their own church in Frankwell, which was then opened in 1886. However, the area in which the church was built was not considered a desirable area for the church, and therefore in 1904 the work on a new church building in Belmont Bank was started. In 1931 Hill's Lane was closed and the congregation moved to St. David's and by 1935 they had enough money to build yet another building which was opened in 1936.
Known as "Bob".
Sang in the choir at St Dunstan's Stepney.
During WW2 was in Royal Navy, as Ordinary Telegraphist C/JX259111.
In 1942, made Italian Prisoner of War, in POW Camp 70,P.M.3300 (Compound 3).
The POWs were landed in Italy at Tarantiono and had a very long drive in lorries to the camp at Altamura near Bari.
4 Frederick John HOADLY (1882-1978) [29]. Born 17 Dec 1882, 138 Malham Road, Lewisham, Kent. 6,7 138, Malham Road, Lewisham, Kent. Family: ...of Frederick William HOADLY and Sarah Jane SMITH. GRO Birth Certificate. Christened 16 Oct 1896, Brixton, Surrey. 8 Saint Jude, East Brixton, Lambeth, Surrey. London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Frederick Hoadly
Name: John Frederick Hoadly
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 16 Oct 1896
Father's Name: Frederick William Hoadly
Mother's Name: Sarah Jane Hoadly
Parish: Saint Jude, East Brixton
Borough: Lambeth
County: Middlesex. Marr Frances Jessie JAQUES 24 Jan 1906, Camberwell, London. 9 Camberwell Register Office. Died 18 Nov 1978, St George's Hospital, Hornchurch, Essex. 10 Cause: 1a: Bronchopneumonia; 2: Cerebral Arteriosclerosis.
By the 1891 census, he is at 136 Plumstead Road, with his parents and stepsister, Margaret.
[RG12/537/22].
When Jack and Jessie married, F.W. wouldn't help them in any way. They went to the East End, and he got work with a bakery, and were very poor for a time, until they acquired a shop of their own, after much hard work and privation.
In WWI, many bakers were German, which caused problems for Jack at the time!
Post Office London Directory 1911:
Frederick John Hoadly, Baker, 78 Old Bethnal Green Road.
In Salmons Lane at beginning of WW1.
At 147 Whitehorse Street
Post Office London Directory 1921 Frederick John Hoadly, Baker, 147, Whitehorse Street, E1:
By 1933 the phone number is listed as EAST 3259.
The second premises at 156 Whitehorse Street is first listed in the Post Office London Directory for 1936.
The following year the phone number is listed in the Directory as STEPNEY GREEN 3259.
He was known as "Jack" - presumably to differentiate from his father.
During the Second World War, Jack and Jessie lived at Willow Cottage, Hammond Lane, Hatfield Broad Oak, Herts, where the photograph of Bob Hoadly returning from POW camp was taken, and published in the Daily Mirror.
[Letter from Jack to his brother Bill]
"June 1st 1945"
Eastwell
Station Lane
Hornchurch
Dear Bill and Daisy
Just to keep the link. How are you both.
I think its around about Bill's Birthday if so I wish him Many happy Returns. I trust he is well and busy.
All of us are keeping fit and the old shop in Stepney going stronger than ever thanks to my two boys.
Jack is an expert piper like his Grandfather and being the only shop among these ruins, we are always at it. I am going to take them both into the business.
Jessie keeps well, she has gone to Peckham today to see her Mother, now 89, and quite well.
Bob's wife is going to have a baby any moment now, and Jack's wife also later on, this will make twelve Grand Children.
I trust I am not counting my chickens yet.
Young Frank Harwood has got married again.
We never hear any thing of Len or Dorrie now.
Well dear Daisy and Will this is enough swank about ourselves.
Please write and let us know if you are all O.K.
Jessie sends her best love to you Daisy, she said she would like to see you again.
Love to every body.
Jack".
Note by Graham Hoadly:
I remember my Grandfather very well indeed.
He was rather old by the time I knew him, and rarely ever left his home in Eastwell, Station Lane Hornchurch.
Eastwell was a large detached house built I would imagine in the early 20th century when Hornchurch was still really a village. My grandparents lived in the ground floor of the house - and "Auntie" Nina Clarke lived upstairs. She wasn't an aunt at all, but a lovely, kind spinster lady who was the sitting tenant upstairs. She had a seperate entrance to her bit of the house, which in itself fascinated me. I very occasionally was invited up there to play with her - and had some fun times. Nina was such a good soul who used to attend St Andrews in Hornchurch. She really almost single-handedly looked after my Grandfather in his latter years - and alas (to their shame) got little thanks from some family members. She was treated quite shabbily.
Downstairs was a small entrance lobby, with stairs up to Nina's front door. There was another door from the lobby, which led to my Grandparents' part of the house. In their hall was a hat and coat stand with many walking sticks - both my Grandparents used them occasionally. From the hall were three rooms - the living room directly opposite the front door, the kitchen to the right next to that, and next to that was their bedroom.
Off the kitchen was a walk-in pantry, and another door led to the bathroom. You went through the bathroom to get to the back door which led into the garden. To the right of the backdoor was the toilet.
Grandpa was a large rotund man who walked with a stick - sometimes two. he was balding with whispy white hair, and wore glasses. He had bad arthritis, and often complained of it - sometimes he wore a copper bracelet to ward off rheumatism.
Most often he was found sitting in the living room at the table which was covered with a green chenille cloth.
More often than not he would sport a long white baker's apron.
He was very fond of cats and in my day had a black one called (politically incorrectly I fear!) Nigger. My father tells me that this cat was one of a line of black cats Grandpa had, unimaginatively with the same name! Tony Blair would NOT have approved ...
He had a keen sense of humour and loved to tell off colour jokes at which he laughed uproariously himself. As a child, of course I adored them. Two of my favourites spring to mind:
Mary had a little lamb
It was her joy and pride
It stuck it's nose up Mary's clothes -
Took one sniff and died ...!
A father has three sons - two who have been well behaved, and one who has been naughty.
At Christmas time he put half a crown in the first two boys' stockings, and a ball of dung in the third.
When questioned having opened their Christmas stockings, the first boy said:
"Father Christmas has been very good to me - he put half a crown in my stocking!"
The second boy said "And Father Christmas has been very good to me too - he put half a crown in my stocking!"
The third boy said:
And Father Christmas has been very good to me - he gave me a horse, but it shit in my stocking and ran away!"
I remember another crude tale of Grandpa's about a night baker who had been sick in the vat of dough, and a customer who came to the shop a few days later , and when offered an ordinary loaf said:
"Oh, not that sort - I'd like one of those really tasty ones you sold the other day"!!!
Grandma, who always sat opposite Grandpa at the table, in a Lloyd Loom chair supported by lots of cushions, always used to laugh heartily at these jokes too - although she must have heard them a hundred times - she used to flap her hand whilst laughing and say:
"Oooh! You dirty old bugger!"
I seem to recall he liked to burp too - which elicited the same response from Grandma!
This was Grandpa's sense of humour - it made me hoot as a child, and I'm afraid, it still rather tickles my fancy! Just call me unsophisticated!
Mind you, Grandpa also had a great tendency towards self pity.
Very often he'd say "Ooooh, I can't see ... I can't hear ... I can't walk .... I'm done for!"
He often lamented the lack of visitors - although Dad went most nights. If for some reason he didn't go, it was a cue for extra moaning and self-pity on Grandpa's part.
"Nobody cares when you're old ... you'd have thought he'd have given me a ring-up ...!"
My mother, disliked Grandpa intensely (she used to say he retired at forty and never did a stroke of work thereafter, and continued to smart as she claimed Grandpa wouldn't let Dad have a day off to go to her father's funeral). I suspect she though he was a bit "common" socially at any rate - her family inclined to the snobbish!
He enjoyed the TV - particularly the Black and White Minstrels and The Good Old Days. When he was tired of it he would say:
"Wind it orf!"
He would usually pronounce "off" as "orf" in a London sort of way - not, I hasten to add, like the Queen!
My father used to take the takings from the Stepney shop to Grandpa's every night, and Grandpa would take the cloth money bags and count the notes. he had a rubber finger stall with which to do this and he dipped that regularly in a sponge pad soaked in water.
There seemed to be a bit of a routine on these evenings. He would say to Dad
"Like a drink, Bob?"
Dad would usually reply
"Bit early for me, Dad"
But Grandpa and Grandma would have a glass of gin and tonic I think - or something with soda - he used to have all the bottles and a soda siphon on the big old dresser that was behind him. There was also an interestingly-shaped bottle of Hooper Struve (he pronounced it "oober Stroove") orange squash - that was the only place I ever saw that brand (I think he had his booze delivered). He would offer some to me which I usually happily accepted.
They usually had their supper at that time too - Ritz crackers, a piece of cheese and a tomato each.
He often smoked a pipe - either Old Holborn tobacco or mostly Gold Block.
He loved to reminisce and spoke often of his childhood, his adventures with his pal Dickie Channa, his visits to the Music Hall.
He spoke of Marie Lloyd who he claimed used to come into his father's shop in Peckham. He recalled seeing her as Dick Whittington at the Crown Theatre Peckham (this was 1898) and used to chuckle at her parting line as she boarded the ship for Morocco:
"When you heard I was off to Morocco, I knew you'd be all jeers!"
He did have a tendency to tell tall stories - like the one about him being three rows behind Queen Victoria at her Diamond Jubilee!
Often he could be found in the kitchen sitting with his apron peeling potatoes or something of the soet - sometimes enjoying a cup of tea - my sisters remember him warming his false teeth in his tea - although I don't recall it myself!
In those days they invariably went to bed for a nap in the afternoons.
I would often go over to play there at Eastwell - they had an enormous garden, beautifully kept by their gardener, old Joe - who didn't look a lot younger than Grandpa!
The first section was a great lawn,and flower beds and shrubs and rose pergolas. then behind that was a large vegetable garden. They grew runner beans and potatoes, also goosberries and strawberries - I remember picking those. And guzzling the strawberries!
On sunny summer days, Grandpa and Grandma would sit out in the garden at a folding card table, with a sunshade. He would wear his ubiquitous white apron and a slightly comical sun hat - a panama, and peel those potatoes.
There was an old hen house there too, and most fascinating of all, an air-raid shelter, which was kept locked, so i never got to go down inside it - but I used to peer longingly through the small opening in the heavy iron door, and could just make out rusting delapidated bunk beds. I would have loved to have played in there!
The large tool shed in the middle of the garden served ideally for playing "houses".
When Grandpa died, my uncle Jack and his wife May went to live there. I never visited it again after Grandpa's death. When Uncle Jack died, the house was sold by Jack's daughters, and pulled down to make way for a close of houses that now are to be found on the site - so no house, and no wonderful garden any more - just memories. I don't think there is even a photo of the house that I know of - although several were taken in the garden over the years.
I remember going to the house after my Grandma's funeral, with many family members, and being a bit shocked to see Grandpa get drunk and jolly. It was the only time I ever heard him use the "f" word ...
I don't have a memory of him in the four years between Grandma's death and his own, but of course I was at college in Winchester during that period. I recall I was rehearsing "Macbeth" at the Queen's Theatre, Hornchurch when I heard of his death.
I was fond of him,
8 Frederick William HOADLY (1860-1946) [31]. Born 28 Oct 1860, 10 Shellons Terrace, Folkestone, Kent. 11,12,13 Family: ...of Frederick Augustus HOADLY and Elizabeth SMITH. No record of this event in GRO Index [2008]. Marr Sarah Jane SMITH 11 Sep 1881, Brixton, Surrey. 14 St Matthew's Church, Brixton, Surrey. Sep 1881 Lambeth 1d 516. Died 20 Jun 1946, Tooting Bec Hospital. 15 Tooting Bec Hospital. Cause: 1a Carcinoma of the Pancreas. Home address at time of death: 200 Peckham High Street SE 15. Buried 26 Jun 1946, Romford Cemetery. 16 Grave no: G58.
"I've just noted that you don't have a record of Frederick William's birth. I have his birth certificate.
He was born on 28 / 10 / 1860 at 10 Shellons Terrace Folkestone.
The details are Father: Frederick August H (Cook (Professed), mother Elizabeth H, formerly Smith, and she registered the birth."
In 1871, Frederick is living at 16 Park Street, Leamington Priors, Warwickshire, with his mother.
[RG10/3195/1/10]
In the 1881 census, he is visiting his friends Jane and John Harris at 9 Herne Place
[RG11/0617/24/30].
Fred and Sally's wedding was witnessed by John Harris (Her sister [or Aunt]'s husband), and Grace Elise Cotton - who appears in the 1881 census residing at 75 Dulwich Road Lambeth with her Uncle Thomas Frederick Harris, and family. Presumably these are relatives of John Harris.
[RG11/617/34/8]
By the 1891 census, he is at 136 Plumstead Road, with his family and stepdaughter, Margaret.
[RG12/537/22].
He appears to have remained in Plumstead until about 1896 (according to Kelly's Directory)
He was apparently the Amateur Champion Banjoist of 1892 - he also played the Mandoline.
Three Smoking Concert Programmes of 1893 exist and F.W. is on the bills of each playing the Banjo, Mandoline or both.
On Tuesday 24th October 1893 there was a Woolwich and District Traders' Association Smoking Concert at which Mr F. Hoadly played selected mandoline solos.
One was at the Royal Gunpowder Factory at Waltham Abbey dated Friday December 1893. An entertainment to be given by Ye Chipps at the Recreation Hall. In part 2 was "Five minutes with Mr Fred. Hoadly Banjoist and Mandolinist.
On Friday 8th December at a Smoking Concert given by the Sergeants of the 3rd Kent Position Artillery, Woolwich Arsenal Mr. F Hoadley [sic] played selected banjo solos. On the back of this programme he has noted :
"The Christy's Minstrel Album No 10 Ise Gwine To Weep No More"
Family tradition has it that Fred was also an amateur black-face minstrel.
By 1898, he had moved to 198 High Street, Peckham.
"I believe that Eva was born on 21/6/1893 (not Sept as you suggest) in Plumstead ... My mother said that Frederick and Sally and family moved to High Street Peckham when Eva was just 6 weeks old."
At one stage he had three shops in Peckham, one of which was a restaurant.
Directories for 1907 to 1909 list F.W. Hoadly as having premises at 66, 76 and 198 High Street.
From 1919, only the premises at 76 and 198 are mentioned in the directories.
According to Joyce Hoadly, he was one of the first men in Peckham to own a car - a baby Peugeot. He was a terrible driver! He later bought a blue-grey Wolsey Hornet. He had a big telescope in an upstairs room of the premises in Peckham High Street.
He appears to be known as Fred. F.W. wasn't remembered fondly by his children. Was a bit of an old tyrant. Used to eat his meals separately from the rest of the family.
Robert Hoadly recalls as a very young child visiting his grandfather F.W. and going to kiss him goodbye to be gruffly rebuffed with "I don't kiss boys"!
He didn't give any financial help to his eldest son, Jack who set up his own Bakery business on his own after much hard work and privation [said his sister in law Nelly]
In 1996, Mr. Robert Farrer communicated the following reminiscences of F.W.
Mr. Farrer was employed by F.W. in 1934 at Peckham, at the age of sixteen. (His brother Stephen took over the job afterwards.):
"Frederick William Hoadly - over average height, thick set, ruddy complexion, in his seventies; a full head of iron grey hair; a man extremely self willed and at times could be ruthless.
Hobbies: Fishing: Went fishing on Sunday during the season with son Leonard, the venue being Pullborough, Sussex, their means of transport being a Wolsey Hornet owned by F.W., and solely maintained by Len who worked on it lovingly and religiously every Saturday afternoon after the baking.
Music: He was very adept on the mandoline banjo, but I am afraid the violin was not his forte. [His son, F.J. was afraid of that too!] One tune that he plinked at was Dvorjack's 'Humouresque'. I believe according to Len that he had at one time played in a troupe of black-faced Minstrels.
Confectionary: F.W. did all the orders for birthday and wedding cakes. I have watched him as he lovingly prepared a three-tiered cake. This work was done in the big room of the house over the Bakehouse.
The Catapault: He prided himself as being well-versed in the art of using the catapault. We would be hard at it in the Bakehouse, when an horrendous "meow!" from the Ham and Beef shop's ginger cat would tell us that he had once again scored a direct hit on the cat's posterior. Len would utter a few coarse expletives, then we would all laugh and carry on.
Banking: Monday saw F.W. arrayed in all his glory for his visit to the Bank. He would emerge bathed and shaved and arrayed in a fine grey suit, with a hat to match, and his shoes shining. He was the very epitome of sartorial elegance and he played to the Gallery for all it was worth - especially tipping his hat to all lady customers. Takings he carried in a blue bank bag, along with other banking impedimenta. Had he done this today, he would certainly have been mugged - especially in Peckham.
Family: Len certainly was his favourite son. F.J. was never mentioned. The daughters Dorrie and Eva were sparingly mentioned. Dorrie was discussed when: Bill Dale, the Son-in-Law and husband of Dorrie came looking for an order. Even as a boy my heart went out to him; you see, he was looked upon as just a common Rep., and almost had to grovel sometimes for an order. I liked him - he had a ready smile, and always spoke. A large man who wore a bowler hat and a shiny blue serge suit - such were the times that we lived in. Leonard [see under Leonard Wilfred Hoadly's notes]
Conclusion: I have endeavoured to give you information regarding F.W. Hoadly and his son Leonard, in whose employ I was at sixteen, my job being passed on to my brother, Stephen. I could write a book on my trials and tribulations as the General Factotum. However you are a long line of Bakers and Pastrycooks, and I don't have to tell you older ones about the hard times of the thirties, and how we had to work to retain a job. We also lived by a code of ethics; the boss was always called "Sir"; Len was "Mr.", and the shop girls "Miss".
The second shop on the corner of Rye Lane was managed by F.W.'s sister, Mrs. Knowles, and her daughter, Elsie - a spinster in her forties, who had a brother, Freddie.
F.W. was also proud of the fact that there had been a Bishop in the family. I close by wishing you all well, but I shall always live in the shadow of the ghosts who baked bread, and sweated.
Oh, yes - the General Factotum is now 80 - a long way on from sixteen!
R. Farrer.
P.S. I am sorry if you find the information scant, but like the rest of that generation, they played their cards close to their chests. It was a case of be seen, and not heard."
"My mother also had strong and ambivalent memories of her grandfather whom she referred to as Rogue Hoadly. Apparently he had more than just an eye for the ladies! I was also told that he injured a man, with his signet ring, who took an interest in Sally. The stories about the banjo and his terrible violin playing and driving also reached me!"
Elsie Hoadly (Len's wife and Joyce's mother) was a shop girl at the bakery. It seems that the reason Sarah Jane stayed with her daughter Eva was that when Elsie became pregnant with Joyce (1927) she had "maternity leave" and a Miss Wesson was her replacement. Old F.W. started having an affair with her and when Sally found out it was the last straw and she left him to go and live with Eva. That was the reason Len hated F.W. so much because he was very close to his mother. After Sarah Jane Hoadly's death, F.W.'s son Jack and his wife Jessie went to visit him at Peckham in their Citroen. He didn't answer the door, and as Jack and Jess left, they saw the curtain twitch, realising that he was in after all, but not wishing to answer the door. After WW1 Len went back to work as pastrycook for F.W., and during the Miss Wesson affair became concerned as to where the money was all going. F.W. wouldn't sign the business over to Len and eventually went bankrupt - about 1940. F.W. lost the shop and went to live next door with Miss Green who ran a flower shop - ( I imagine this was as a lodger not as a Romeo) - which was his final address before his death at Tooting Bec Hospital in 1946.
In a letter to his son Will dated 29th October 1938 F.W. writes from the Peckham High Street shop:
"Dear Will, many thanks for your good wishes, but I cannot expect to have many more birthdays at 87 [he was actually78!]. But I am fit and well and still working. Glad to hear that you are doing so well. Yours [ever?] F.W. Hoadly"
His grandson, Robert Hoadly visited him there (with his brother Jack). By then F.W. was a sorry state in one or two rooms with a cooker, a fire and a heap of coals in the corner. Bob and Jack persuaded him to play his mandoline for them, which he did - but was in tears as he did so.
A telegram was sent by F W Hoadly's son-in-Law, William Dale to F.W.'s son Frederick John as follows:
"Romford - 20 June 46
3.25 Bracknell 33
DAD DIED THIS MORNING I CANNOT GO TO HOSPITAL GOT ILLNESS AT HOME BILL AM WAITING FOR DOCTOR SORRY SOMEBODY MUST GO -
HOMESTEAD BROAD LANE BRACKNELL BERKS".
9 Sarah Jane SMITH (1855-1930) [32]. Born 8 Sep 1855, Coleshill, Warwickshire. 17 Christened 24 Sep 1855, Coleshill Parish Church. 18,19 Died 14 Apr 1930. Buried 22 Apr 1930, Romford Cemetery. 16 Grave No: G58.
In the 1861 census for Coleshill, she is living with John and Margarett Smith, and their daughter, Jane. She is listed as their daughter (aged 5 - which would put her birth at about 1856), but since Margarett would have been 52 at the time of her birth, I feel that this is unlikely.
Could Sarah Jane have been the daughter of one of John and Margarett's children, and brought up by her Grandparents?
[The Coleshill Parish registers show that a Sarah Jane Smith, daughter of Ann Smith, "A single woman", was christened on 26th September 1855]. It seems odd that John and Margarett baptized all their children, but not Sarah Jane.
From an email from Sally Richards:
"I've checked my notes - my mother [Barbara Howard] referred to Sally having a brother called Mark. She said Mark Smith (the surname probably just an assumption as I don't suppose she ever met him).However, Ann Smith, according to your website, did have a son Mark Shuttleworth. If this is the Mark my mother meant, it would be additional evidence that Ann is Sally's mother. Incidentally, there are only two Marks in the whole family tree - Mark Shuttleworth, William and Ann Shuttleworth's son (and possibly therefore Sarah Jane Smith's half brother), and Mark Shuttleworth, son of Mark Snr. and Emily."
The evidence seems to strongly point to Sarah Jane being the illegitimate daughter of Ann Smith, eldest daughter of John and Margarett Smith.
This would be supported by the baptismal entry in the Coleshill Parish Registers and a corresponding GRO birth certificate obtained that registers Sarah Jane's birthday as 8th September.
The date of registration (by the mother Ann Smith) is 26th September 1855 which is also the date of baptism.
The only conflicting evidence here is Joyce Hoadly's [ Sarah Jane's grandaughter] memory of her grandmother's birthday as 12th September. Her memory is sharp and reliable - and although she barely remembers her grandmother she recalls that her father Len always said his mother was born on 12th September.
Is it possible, therefore, that Sarah Jane perhaps due to the circumstances of her birth, was unaware of the correct date of her birth?
There is a family rumour - yet to be investigated [2002] that Sarah Jane and perhaps her mother (Ann Smith) were at some point domestics at Warwick Castle.
Another rumour suggests that she was somehow connected with Lady Hamilton!
Curiously the following info has been gleaned from the Internet from a site about Warwick Castle:
"The 8th Lord Brooke, Francis Greville, married Elizabeth, the sister of Sir William Hamilton. This was the same William Hamilton whose wife Emma enjoyed a tempestuous and public affair with Lord Nelson."
In 1881 census, she is a domestic servant to Frank Burtonshaw, a mantle manufacturer, and his wife, Augusta. They resided at 35 Park Road, West Dulwich, which is now (1996) Park Hall road.
[RG11/0626/93/14]
At the same time, Margarett Hamilton [Smith], her daughter is staying with Jane (Sarah Jane's sister - or perhaps aunt) and John Harris at 9 Herne Place
[RG11/0617/24/30]
According to Joyce Hoadly, Sarah (or Sally, as she was known), had a piano, and used to sing "Come Back To Erin" and "The Last Rose Of Summer".
Nelly Jaques recalls; "She was a nice lady." She used to dress her daughters very nicely, and Nelly used to go to school with them. Being poorer, she envied Eva and Dorothy, but got on well with them nevertheless.
Letters from Sarah Jane to her daughter in law Elsie - all written in pencil:
[From Walton 1926]
"Hamilton House Walton-On-The-Naze, Essex Sep 5 26
Dear Elsie
I was so pleased to get a letter from you it quite cheered me up dear. As you say that was some storm. I am glad we did not get it here. We have had some lovely weather. Friday morning was wet but soon cleared. I suppose Eva told you all the new's I am glad you had a lovely run in the A.C. and enjoyed it so much. I know dear old Len would look after you well. You must give him my love and a great big kiss. On Tuesday as you know it is his Berfday. I must try and get down the street to buy him a card. Sorry I didn't answer you letter ere this but Eva was getting away on Saturday and I was moving downstairs. It takes me a long time. I went to dinner with Jack and Jessie. They send their kind love to you and Len. I shall be glad to get home again. There is no place like Home. I am getting better but rather slowley [sic]. Please give my love to Miss Garrett. Now dear I suppose I must dry up as it is getting dark. With fond love to you and Len. Trusting you are both well I am yours as ever Mum. P.S. Write me again soon."
[undated]
"Dear Elsie
I am sorry the dear baby [Joyce Hoadly] has had such a cold. Frank [Harwood?] said she had it slightly on Tuesday. I am glad you did not bring her out. Keep her well rubbed with oil. You can't do better and keep her out of the cold wind till she gets quite well it is such a dangerous time of the year. I will come and see you on Monday if she is not well enough, or if it is still cold, kiss her for me, and give my love to Len. Lots to yourself Mumxxx"
"Dear Elsie
I am rather late with my good wishes. But I wish you all the best of Health and Happiness. Some to little Joyce and your own dear self. From Mum and Dad.xxxx Run in and see me when you get time. Come right through and up the stairs."
[Postcard dated 29-6-27 from Walton on Naze]
"Dear Elsie
I hope you had a nice journey and did not go to sleep. You looked so very cosy. Today is the first fine day since you were here. Xx Love to you both Mum and Dad"
[Letter]
"Hamilton House Walton on Naze Essex 30-6-27
Dear Elsie
Big thunder storm here this morning. Cannot go out Jessie is busy packing to send off by train. Our holiday will soon be over. And I shall not be sorry. This weather is so depressing. But their [sic] is no doubt we shall benefit by the change and rest. Dad has written to Len this morning to catch the 11am post so he will get it to night. I hope you are keeping well and not working to [sic]hard because you need not, I was very pleased to see you on Sunday and Glad to hear that you got home alright. I expect you was a bit late and the weather was rather unkind. Never mind. Now dear I think you better order a leg of lamb for Sat dinner then we shall have some for supper on Sunday night. And some tomatoes and onions. Not forgetting the Pig's Ear as Dad calls it. Please tell Miss Garrett I am sorry about the cards as Mr Hoadly did not post them all at once. I expect you have got them ere this. Will you kindly give Ivy the 2/6 I spoke to you about and tell her I trust will have a fine day and hope to see her on Tuesday morning. Dad as [sic] been down the Pier it is Blowing like H he says. Fondest Love from Mother and Dad to you Both xx S.J.H"
"Sarah Jane died whilst visiting Eva and George in Norfolk Rd, Romford and my mother remembered this vividly. Apparently Eva and her mother were very close. ".
5 Frances Jessie JAQUES (1886-1974) [30]. Born 23 Mar 1886, Camberwell, Surrey. 20,21 Died 20 Dec 1974, St George's Hospital, Hornchurch, Essex. 22 Cause: 1a: Bronchopneumonia.
Known as Jessie.
In 1891, Charles, Lucy and their four children were living at 14 Cossall Street.
[RG12/475/48]
Worked at F.W. Hoadly's Bakery in Peckham, where she presumably met Jack Hoadly.
[Letter from Jessie to Elsie Hoadly dated 29/01/ 28]
"147 Whitehorse Street
Stepney E.
Jan 2 - 28
Dear Elsie
I was ever so pleased to get Len's letter and to hear you and Baby were getting on nicely.
I was thinking about you on Christmas Day wondering if anything was happening.
You must really excuse me not writing before, I have been short handed the girl in the house didn't turn up and Jack has had to go down the bakehouse the cook has a poisoned hand.
As soon as the weather is a little better I will come and see you, I feel quite anxious to see the wee Babe and you.
Len seems quite proud being a Daddy I guess.
Jack and I are going to try and come over one evening this week.
The girls send there [sic] love and Bobbie wants to know what the Baby's name is, i told him Uncle Len bought it for a Christmas Present for you.
Best Love From
Jack and Jessie.
P.S.Dear Elsie be very carefull and don't catch cold, this weather is really awfull
Jessie".
Note by Graham Hoadly:
I loved Grandma Hoadly. She was a small woman with fine white hair which in my day I remember she wore up in a chignon. Rather earlier when I was very young I think she had a perm. When I knew her she wore those rather unattractive winged spectacles that were fashionable in the 1960s - the sort you see in the cartoons of "The Far Side"! She was always warm and welcoming.
Although she was born in Peckham, and was definitely a Londoner and had an slightly earthy side to her, she was also a woman of refinement and dignity with a soft voice and a merry chortle. She used the Victorian constructions of speech of her generation, which you just don't hear any more in these days of deliberately sloppy imprecise speech and unattractive estuary accents. She would describe a lady's outfit as a "costume" for instance.
I believe she was long-suffering listening to my Grandpa's innumerable reminiscences and stories all of which I am sure she had heard umpteen times before. Often as he launched into one she would glaze over until he'd finished, then she'd either laugh or comment as the occasion demanded.
Sometimes I would stay for tea - Grandma would tuck a loaf under her arm, butter the cut end, then cut the slice off. Then put jam on it.
"Piece more?" she would ask.
In the dresser in that kitchen there were assorted tea cups - my favourite was a bone china one with fluted sides. I always hoped to get that one.
I remember her making marmalade, (but don't remember eating it!)
She would often ask me to pop to the shops for her - usually the ones just before Hornchurch station. It might be to Jack Burgess's for greengrocery, or often to get some ham off the bone from Edith Ski's the delicatessen.
Somethimes when I came back she would thank me and say:
"An ounce of help is worth a pound of pity".
I remember her coming over to our house in Hornchurch one day - a very rare occasion, and my mother was on her hands and knees polishing the lino in the hall:
Grandma greeted Mum with:
"Ooh, Gwyn! haven't you got a big arse!"
Needless to say, Mother was NOT amused....
I doubt she felt any better when having proffered Grandma a cup of tea, Grandma proceeded to pour it into the saucer and drink it from there! I was, of course, fascinated.
When I grew older and taller than her I recall her commenting and saying:
"When you get old you shrivel up!"
She used to laugh at my long wavy hair - the fashion in my teens
"Ooh! You've got a quiff!"
Dad says that one of her favourite songs was "Alice Blue Gown" from the musical comedy "Irene" which apparently she used to sing - but I never heard her do it.
In her final years she got very frail, and I think my sister Marion used to do a lot for her.
Her death upset me - I remember it was at Christmas time, and I was then in the St George's Church choir at Hornchurch. We had a Carol Service there, and I recall singing "Infant Holy" with tears, embarrasingly, running down my cheeks.
Like most Grandmas she had beautiful soft delicate skin - I can still remember kissing her cheek - and that she smelled delicate and lovely.
10 Charles Hancock JAQUES (1862-1939) [43]. Born 3 Sep 1862, 30 Gainsford Street, St John's, Southwark, Surrey. 23 Marr Lucy Charlotte COOPER 26 Dec 1881, Camberwell, Surrey. 4,24,25,26 St George's Parish Church, Camberwell, Surrey. Died 19 Mar 1939, 185, Gordon Road, Peckham, Surrey. 27 Buried 23 Mar 1939, Camberwell New Cemetery. 27,28 Grave No: 5605, Square 101 (Graves cleared, no longer exist 6/5/1999).
No record of Jaques in Gainsford St in 1861 Census.
According to Robert Charles Hoadly, Charles Jaques had a broken nose due to an accident with a cable, when he was laying it from a boat; one of his many jobs. He seemed not to have stuck at any one occupation for long!
By all accounts, he was a very likeable man.
In 1891, Charles, Lucy and their four children were living at 14 Cossall Street.
[RG12/475/48]
The family later moved to 161 Gordon Road, Peckham, near Lucy's parents. Jessie was living here at the time of her marriage to Jack Hoadly.
Charlie Jaques "Was a good father. He loved us girls .. would do anything for us. He had more love for us than what Mother had."
Always in and out of work. In his early years he went to sea; he had consumption, and this, apparently cured him of it.
At one time he was a drayman, and his daughters used to sit up front with him on the cart.
One time he had to look after collie dogs. Nelly was frightened of these, but he taught her to shake hands with the dog and cured her!
Camberwell New Cemetery Burial Registers:
Entry 21826 (1939) Charles Hancock Jaques 76 Years.
185 Gordon Road
Bur. Mar 23rd by Cyril M. Smith
No. 5605, Sq. 101,
Consecrated.
Receipt: 22516
Charles seems to be very fondly remebered by those that new him - he appears to heve been well loved.
11 Lucy Charlotte COOPER (1860-1949) [44]. Born 2 Oct 1860, Bermondsey, Surrey. 11,29,30 15 Wilbourne Terrace, Bermondsey, Surrey. Bermondsey 1d 86. Christened 21 Oct 1860, Bermondsey, Surrey. 31 St James, Bermondsey, Bermondsey, Surrey. Died Mar 1949, Lambeth, London. 32 Buried Forest Hill.
In 1881 the family were living at 67, Asylum Road, Old Kent Road, Peckham,
[RG11/0691/16/25]
After her mother moved to Claygate, Lucy took over the house at 185 Gordon Road.
At the end of her life she was looked after by her daughter, May, and died in rooms in Peckham.
Described by Robert Hoadly, her grandson as "vinegary"!!!
3 Gwyneth ROBERTS (1924-1989) [3]. Born 8 Sep 1924, Claremont Bank Hospital, Shrewsbury, Shropshire. 33,34 Christened 8 Oct 1924. Died 20 Dec 1989, 34 The Avenue, Hornchurch, Essex. 35,36 Cause: 1a: Bronchopneumonia b: Carcinoma of the brain.
Known as "Gwyn".
She was born at 6.10pm and baptised by Rev. D. M. Rowlands.
As a child had a Belgian police dog named "Pete".
After she married, she had a mongrel called "Tess" for about five years, and Petra, a Welsh collie, from 1963.
Was a member of the Girls Training Corps, and the A.R.P. (1941-2).
Attended the Mildred Cureton Dancing Academy, winning a bronze medal for ballroom dancing.
At 17, she was a clerk at Woowich Arsenal, and was evacuated to Shewsbury.
Then a clerk at Shrewsbury Post Office, and during the War, a Telegraphist for the Foreign Office at the Vicarage, Chester Road, Cloverfield, Whitchurch, Shropshire.
Later on, she was billeted at 16 Hyde Park Gardens.
She and Bob moved into 34 The Avenue, Hornchurch in November 1947.
She died at 12.25pm.
Gwyn was first billed as Wardrobe Mistress in the programmes of the Queen's Theatre, Hornchurch in February 1963 for the production of "Juno And The Paycock".
She had been a member of the Queen's Theatre Club previously and had helped out with costumes. 37
A reluctant "actress" - Gwyn made a number of appearances in plays at the Queens Theatre, as in those days repertory theatres often used to call upon locals to play very small roles.
I believe her first appearance was in April 1963 as a neighbour in Eugene O’Neill's Desire Under The Elms, starring Sebastian Shaw.
In October 1963, to her amusement, she appeared as a tart - Bobo, in Brendan Behan's The Hostage. Certainly production photographs exist with her in the show.
In November 1963, in The Reluctant Debutante, she played the housekeeper, Mrs Edgar - billed in the prograrmme as Gwyn Hoadly.
Her last billed appearance was from 23 April to 11 May 1968 in "The Farmer's Wife" as
The Hon. Mrs Tudor where she was billed as Gwynydd Roberts, a jokey allusion to her Welsh heritage. 37
6 Robert Eric ROBERTS (1890-1955) [6]. Born 17 Jul 1890, Glyndwr Place, 6, New Street, Frankwell, Shrewsbury, Salop. 38 Bible says: Robert Eric Roberts, born July 17th 1890 at a ¼ to 4 in the Afternoon at Glyndwr Place. Marr Evelyn May DEAKIN 25 Apr 1920, Kinnerley, Shropshire. 39,40 Kinnerley Parish Church, Shropshire. Died 16 May 1955, 4 Victoria Street, All Saints, Shrewsbury, Shropshire. 41 4 Victoria Street, Castlefields, Shrewsbury. Cause: 1(a) Myocardial Failure (b) Pulmonary Fibrosis. Following note from Archie Roberts to his niece Gwyneth:
"Dear Gwyn,
I am sorry to have to tell you that your Dad passed away in his sleep this evening. about 9-0 p.m. I thought it would be less of a shock for you if I wrote. Please keep your end up.
Yours
Archie". Buried 20 May 1955, New Cemetery, Shrewsbury, Shropshire.
Known as "Eric".
Born at 3.45pm., and baptised by the Rev. W. Hinton Jones.(On a Monday).
By the 1891 Census,his parents and their three children had moved just up the road to a larger house, newly built, at 6 New Street. [RG12/2113/6/6]
Wilding's Directory for Shewsbury has Eric at 20 Benyon Street in 1928 and 1931.
In 1936 onwards he is at 4 Victoria Street. It is likely the family moved from 20 Benyon Street to 4 Victoria Street about 1934, after the death of Annie Roberts, Eric's mother. Eric's brother Trevor moved into 20 Benyon Street at this time after his marriage to Myrtle Ellis.
Note by Graham Hoadly:
Of course I never knew my Grandad, as he died in the May of 1955 just before I was born in the July. My middle name Eric was given for him.
My sisters, however, did know him, and recall an austere somewhat humourless man who when they went up to Shrewsbury for the annual summer holiday used to set them sums to do - and they had to do them!
This was an obituary published after his death:
"Mr. R.E. Roberts We regret to record the death of Mr. R. E. Roberts, Senior Rental Clerk, after a long illness which he bore with characteristic fortitude. Mr. Roberts was sixty-four and was due for retirement after being at Shrewsbury gas works since 1907. He had been successively Weigh Office Clerk, Meter Reader and Collector, Rentals Clerk and Cashier, and was one of those reliable all-round men so typical of Gas Office training. We shall miss that wealth of experience and kindly philosophy which calmed many a trying moment and helped us ride the storm. His example of conscientious application and promptitude in arriving will be remembered as part of the rules of conduct which he delighted in reciting to us from the old days. We express our deep sympathy to Mrs. Roberts and his married son and daughter.C.G.B."
This notice also appeared in a local newspaper:
"MR. R. E. ROBERTS The funeral took place at the general cemetery on Friday of Mr. Robert Eric Roberts, 4 Victoria Street, Castlefields, Shrewsbury, who died at home on the previous Monday. Aged 64, Mr. Roberts was on the clerical staff at Stanley House. His hobby was woodwork. A native of Shrewsbury, Mr. Roberts was a member of the Gas Works sports and social club for many years. The funeral was conducted by the Rev. Howell Williams. Chief mourners were: Mr. Eric Roberts (son) [sic], Mr. Trevor Roberts, Mr. William Roberts, and Mr. Archibald Roberts (brothers), Mr. Eric Roberts (nephew). Funeral arrangements were by H. Owen and Son Ltd.".
12 Robert Morgan ROBERTS (1855-1943) [13]. Born 30 Nov 1855, Newtown, Montgomeryshire. 42,43,44 Robert Morgan Robert's Family Bible says: Robert Morgan - November 30th 1855, at half past 11 in forenoon
Yet his birth certificate gives the birthday as 30th December 1855! Which is it?!!! Marr Ann JONES 3 Nov 1879, Llanllwchaiarn, Newtown Montgomeryshire. 45,46 The Parish Church, St Llwchaiarn, Llanllwchaiarn, Newtown Montgomeryshire. Robert Morgan Roberts Family Bible says:
Robert Morgan - November 30th 1855, at half past 11 in forenoon
married 3rd November 1879 to Annie [the letter "i" later crossed out] Jones, Born May 5th 1858. Died 16 May 1943, 4 Victoria Street, All Saints, Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Buried aft 16 May 1943, Old Cemetery, Shrewsbury, Shropshire.
Born 11.30am.
In 1881 he and Annie had moved to 48 New Street, Shrewsbury, a small cottage by the river, where their daughter, Hilda was born. [
RG11/2654/9/14]
By the 1891 Census, the couple and their three children were living just up the roadin a larger house, newly built, at 6 New Street.
[RG12/2113/6/6] where they were still living in 1904.
In 1899, Robert describes himself in the local directory as
"Printer, secretary to Shropshire Football Association and League".
Later on they moved to 4 Victoria Street, Shrewsbury, where they remained until their deaths.
This would have been after 1904, when the house is described as "void" in "Wildings Directory of Shrewsbury" of that date. (The previous occupant was a Thomas Jones, who was still there in 1896.).
It would appear that Eric, Eve and their children moved in to number 4, probably after the death of Annie Roberts.
According to Gwyneth Roberts's diary he died at 5.30
Will Index:
Robert Morgan Roberts d. 16 May 1943
Admin. Chester 25 June to Robert Eric Roberts Company Clerk
Effects £520 0s 9d
Robert, Annie and their daughter, Hilda all share the same grave.
Chris remembers - he had his workshop which took up most of the back yard - had his printing machinery there.
Had an old dog Pete.
Gruff but nice - always pleasant - spent most of his tgime out in his shed.
Hardly ever saw him in the house except to come in nthrough the door to go down to the kitchen
Eric had the bathroom put in where the old coal cellar was.
4 Victoria Street older than the houses in the street - bult about 1830s / 1840s - owned by Mr Jones the farmer.
!860s - other houses built - number 9 built in 1862.
On one of the bedrooms if you held the door in a certain light you could see the words "Mr Jones's Dressing Room". 47
13 Ann JONES (1858-1934) [14]. Born 5 May 1858, Ty Felin, Dolanog, Llanfihangel, Montgomeryshire. 48 Died 11 Mar 1934, 4 Victoria Street, All Saints, Shrewsbury, Shropshire. 49 Bible says:
Anne Roberts died 11th March 1934 4.30 pm. Buried aft 11 Mar 1934, Old Cemetery, Shrewsbury, Shropshire.
Known as "Annie".
1861 Census:
[RG9/4260/40/2]
Mary now living at the Mill with her mother, her sisters, Catherine and Elizabeth; her husband, Evan Jones, and her children, William, Margaret and Annie.
1871 Census:
[RG10/5628/?/2]
Dolanog Mill Evan and Mary, their children William and Annie, Mary's mother and (probably) Mary's sister, Elizabeth Evans, who was visiting
Died at 4.30pm.
This obituary was taken from a local
"Dolanog. The late Mrs. Roberts. - A correspondent writes:
With the death of Mrs R. M. Roberts, of Shrewsbury, at the age of 75,a last link with Dolanog Mill is severed.
Her brother, Mr. W. E. Jones, predeceased her two years ago, and had been a well-known character in the Dolanog area for many years.
Visitors to Dolanog up to some fifteen years ago would remember the family well.
For generations, picnic parties would come from the Llanfair and Meifod districts, and obtaining water or kettles from the Mill, would select a secluded spot near the ford or by the old picturesque waterfall, and enjoy a rest and a meal.
There must be many grown-up families who have recollections of an enjoyable afternoon at Dolanog Mill, with amusing and entertaining chats with Mrs. Jones or her family.
Today, all this has changed, and the old wooded and secluded spots have been swept away to make room for a bridge and a more efficient, but less picturesque, weir and electric power station.
To the older generations, however, memories of the old family and surroundings flit through the minds reminding them of happy and care-free days.".
7 Evelyn May DEAKIN (1895-1985) [7]. Born 20 Jan 1895, Pentre, Great Ness, Shropshire. 50,51 Pentre Farm [?], Pentre, Great Ness, Shropshire. Christened 8 Feb 1895, Great Ness, Salop. 52 Primitive Methodist Chapel, Great Ness, Salop. Died 6 Mar 1985, 36 Croft Lane, Norton , Letchworth, Herts. 53 Cause: 1a: Left Ventricular: b: Coronary Atherosclerosis. Buried 13 Mar 1985, Crematorium.
Known as "Eve".
She never really discussed her childhood, and it would seem that her Mother left her to be brought up in Pentre.
Whether those who brought her up were related or not is so far unclear.
Her Mother married in 1901, when Eve was six, but she clearly did not take Eve into her new family.
Eve and Eric were married in the presence of Trevor V. Roberts [Eric's brother] and Joseph Lloyd.
Eve recalled she and Eric cycled to the wedding together.
In the 1901 Census, Evelyn is described as a "visitor" at Lower Hopton, Great Ness, Shropshire - with the family of Joseph Jones (age 46 born Kinnerley) listed as a "Castrator" (Vet).
He is there with his daughter Mary Jane Jones age 10, born Ruyton XI Towns, his two sons Frederick Thomas Jones age 9, born West Felton, and Joseph Ro. Jones age 7, born Great Ness.
Note by Graham Hoadly:
My Grandma Roberts was a complete contrast to my Hoadly Grandparents, but I loved her too in my way and always looked forward to our family summer holidays at her house in Shrewsbury - number 4 Victoria Street, just down from the Prison!
She was a stouter woman than my Grandma Hoadly, and had lovely soft naturally wavy grey hair that I often used to catch her primping in the mirror.
She had a large matronly bust that rested rather low, due, I presume to an absence of the customary support lingerie!
She was also somewhat broad in the beam in those days, and I recall getting a terrible shaking when my sister Marion and I dissolved into muffled hysteria as she, as was her wont, bent down to pick up the teapot from the hearth, providing a somewhat ominous (and amusing to us kids) view!
Marion was older and better able to control her mirth, but I found it practically impossible. Grandma knew we were laughing - probably at her - but she didn't know why. She took me out of the room and gave me a good shaking, but, of course, I couldn't possibly tell her what I was laughing at!
I think she was naturally quite a nosy woman, and therefore had a fear of others finding out anything about her. Whenever I used to go down to number 9 Victoria Street, to visit my Great Aunt Myrtle (of whom Grandma was oddly suspicious - perhaps a bit jealous) she invariably would admonish me
"Don't go telling them any of our business!" - which always perplexed me as I didn't think I knew any business worthwhile telling!
She could be quite strict with us children. If we should say we wanted something she would say:
"'I want!' 'I want!' - I want a new carpet but I shan't 'ave it!"
She was also rather prudish - if something came onto the television that she considered "unsuitable" she would get up with alacrity, switch off the TV and say:
"That's what your Uncle Archie and I call one of THOSE programmes"!
Nevertheless she did once say to my sister, Eluned who was going through some marital trouble at the time:
"If I had my time again, I would live with a man before I married him!" which was something of a shock to us - but a refreshingly unexpected viewpoint on her part.
She used to enjoy a chatty weekly paper called "The Weekly News" and she again surprised me, when laughing, she read out a letter from a woman who had apparently done some preparation of a room, prior to calling in a decorator. She had telephoned the decorator saying "I've stripped and am ready for you to come over"!
Not being famous for her sense of humour, or her
She used to make us laugh when she regularly and quite seriously advocated the female family members - particularly my Mother - always to have a hatpin about their person, should they at any time be approached by some sex-crazed man!
She loved a bargain, and used invariably, should we be going into Town in Shrewsbury, exhort us to visit the "Cheap-Jacks in the market". My mother could be, if anything, even more snobby than her own Mother ... and regularly ignored the invitation!
Called "Dookie Deakin" - cos of her big nose
Didn't like Trevor - he didn't like her. (unusual) One of the
Trevor said she was grasping, 47
14 John JONES(?) ( - ) [10]. Born "?", ? Christened "?", ? Died "?", ? Buried "?", ?
It is not clear if he actually existed, since the only reference to his name appears on Evelyn May Deakin's marriage certificate.
He is named on Eve's personal copy of the marriage certificate as "John Jones Deakin" but "Deakin" was clearly inserted later in order to "legitimise" Eve, who was mortified by her secret.
On the original marriage register, he is plain "John Jones: Farmer" Therefore, it is possible Eve's father was indeed John Jones, and a farmer; it is quite likely, however, she invented him for the purposes of her marriage certificate.
15 Agnes Ann DEAKIN (1875-1941) [9]. Born 6 Nov 1875, 35 Alder Street, Hulme, Manchester, Lancs. 54 Marr Joseph OWEN 4 Sep 1901, Ruyton XI Towns, Shropshire. 55 The Parish Church, Ruyton XI Towns, Shropshire. Marr Richard WILLIAMS 28 Dec 1922, Oswestry, Shropshire. 56 The Register Office, Oswestry, Shropshire. Dec 1922 Agnes Owen
Richard Williams Oswestry 6a 1547. Died 24 Feb 1941, Oswestry, Shropshire. 57 5 Gitten Street, Oswestry, Shropshire. Cause: Cerebral Haemorrage and Hyperpiesia [High blood pressure]. Buried 27 Feb 1941, Oswestry Cemetery. Oswestry Cemetery, Victoria Road, Oswestry, Shropshire, SY11 2 HU. Cause: Angina? Grave Purchased:
Section E grave number 58
In the burial register, she is recorded as "the wife of Richard Williams"
There is no memorial stone for this grave, it is unmarked. It lies betwen the marked graves of John Arthur Evans and Sarah Ellis.
The location was photographed by Graham Hoadly on 26th August 2006.
Agnes' marriage to Joe Owen was witnessed by Edward Roberts, Cissie Coles [Her cousin Jane Elizabeth Coles], and Edwin Tomkinson.
By 1891 she is living with her mother and step father at Vine Buildings, Ruyton IX Towns, and her two new half siblings.[RG12/2114/64].
In 1903 - 1906 Agnes, her husband, Joe Owen, and their children, Iris and Charles, were living at 52 York Street, Oswestry.
The Register of Electors for Oswestry 1918 (North Ward) gives Agnes Owen's address as 33 Ferrers Road.
1922, and Spring 1923 her address is 5 Gitten Street.
1929 sees Charles Deakin Owen, and Iris Lily Owen at the same address, but no Agnes.
William Edward Owen and Eliza Maude Owen are living at 10 Gitten Street in 1929.
Could he be Joseph's brother, and, possibly, his wife?
Una did not know of Agnes's daughter,Evelyn's, existence - and was fairly sure that her Uncle Charlie would not have known either. "He would have been mortified"
She also stated that her Grandmother Agnes was "very respectable" - so was therefore rather surprised at the fact of Grandma Evelyn's existence.
However, she rather thought that her mother Iris may have known if anyone - as Aunt Polly may have known also.
It would seem that Grandma Evelyn's childhood, and by whom she was brought up will have to remain a mystery for ever.
The final clue as to that may lie in the 1911 census, of course ....! 58
We do not at present (2007) know who fathered Agnes's first child, Evelyn May Deakin.
I don't recall my grandmother Evelyn ever really mentioning her parents. All she said was that she was born and brought up in Pentre, Shropshire.
In her later years, while she was still living at 4 Victoria Street, Shrewsbury, Eve gave me a whole pile of old family photographs. By this time I had learned from my mother, of Eve's illegitamacy. She showed me a small double pocket wallet containing two Victorian cartes de visite.
In one pocket there was a studio photo of two little girls and she told me that one was her as a small child. She said that the other child was "a friend" and didn't elaborate further.
In the other pocket was a studio portrait of a young woman. When I asked who she was, Grandma calmmed up rather and said: "I don't remember who SHE was".
On the back of the photo was written in pencil the name "Deakin". and I assumed that this may have been her mother, but didn't feel able to ask her, as I imagine she would have been mortified if she had known that I knew of her birth.
Many years later, after much convoluted detective work, I traced the legitimate grandaughter of Agnes Deakin, who was amazed to discover that her grandmother had had a child prior to her marriage to Joseph Owen.
Amongst her photo collection were several 1890s carte de visite portraits of her grandmother Agnes - including a copy of the photo my grandmother Eve had given me.
It was thrilling to have my suspicions confirmed and to discover new half - family - but it would seem that the identity of Evelyn May Deakin's father and the circumstances of her conception and birth - along with the identity of the folks that brought her up - and why - will remain a mystery.
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| 1 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Registration District: Romford. 1955 BIRTH in the Sub-district of Hornchurch in the County of Essex No: 380 When and where born: Fifth July 1955. 34 The Avenue Hornchurch Name if any: Graham Eric Sex: Boy Name and surname of father: Robert Charles Hoadly Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Gwyneth Hoadly formerly Roberts Occupation of father: Baker and Confectioner Signature, description and residence of informant: G. Hoadly, Mother. 34, The Avenue, Hornchurch When registered: Twenty second July 1955 Signature of Registrar: F. E. Parish Registrar I Felix E. Parish Registrar of Births and Deaths for the Sub-District of Hornchurch, in the County of Essex do hereby certify that this is a true copy of the entry No. 380 in the Register Book of Births No. 29 for the said Sub-District, and that such Register Book is now legally in my custody. Witness my hand this 22nd day of July, 1955 F.E. Parish Registrar of Births and Deaths |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 2 | "Baptism Certificate". Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Baptism Certificate Baptism administered in the Parish of St Dunstan and All Saints Stepney in the Diocese of Londonin the London Borough of Tower Hamlets Register entry no: 493 Date of Birth: 5th July 1955 Date of Baptism: 1st July 1956 Christian names and surname: Graham Eric HOADLEY ["E" in HOADLEY stricken out] Father's Christian names and surname: Robert Charles HOADLY Mother's Christian names and surname: Gwyneth HOADLY Address: 34 The Avenue, Hornchurch Father's Occupation: Confectioner Mother's Occupation: Godparents: June Mayfield, Brian Mayfield, Jack Hoadly Officiating minister: C. Edwyn Young Rector of Stepney Certified to be a true copy of an entry in the register of the said parish, by me Christopher [?] Chessun, Rector Date 21-8-99 |
| Graham Hoadly. |
| 3 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Registration District: Limehouse. 1922 BIRTH in the Sub-district of Limehouse West in the County of London No: 344 When and where born: Eleventh April 1922. 147 White Horse Street Name if any: Robert Charles Sex: Boy Name and surname of father: Frederick John Hoadly Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Frances Jessie Hoadly formerly Jaques Occupation of father: Baker and Confectioner Signature, description and residence of informant: F.J. Hoadly, mother. 147 White Horse Street When registered: Tenth May 1922 Signature of Registrar: F. Grout. Registrar Name entered after registration: I Frederick Grout Registrar of Births and Deaths for the Sub-district of Limehouse West in the County of London do hereby certify that this is a true copy of Entry No. 344 in the Register Book of Births for the said Sub-district, and that such Register Book is now legally in my custody. WITNESS MY HAND this 10th day of May, 1922 F. Grout 10/5/1922 Registrar of Births and Deaths |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 4 | Parish Register. |
| 5 | Marriage certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Marriage Certificate: Registration District Shrewsbury 1947 Marriage Solemnized at St David's Presbyterian Church Belmont Shrewsbury in the District of Shrewsbury in the County of Salop No: 15 When Married: Twenty-Seventh January 1947 Name and Surname: Robert Charles Hoadly Age: 24 Condition: Bachelor Rank or Profession: Confectioner Residence at time of Marriage: "Eastwell" Station Lane Hornchurch Father's Name and Surname: Frederick John Hoadly Rank or Profession of Father: Master Baker Name and Surname: Gwyneth Roberts Age: 22 Condition: Spinster Rank or Profession: Wireless Telegraphist Residence at time of Marriage: 4 Victoria Street Shrewsbury Father's Name and Surname: Eric Roberts Rank or Profession of Father: Cashier Married in the St David's Presbyterian Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Presbyterian Church of Wales by Certificate This marriage was Solemnized between us: R.C. Hoadly G. Roberts In the presence of us: H. A. Green F. Worthington I Maldwyn A. Davies, Authorised Person under the Marriage Act 1898, do hereby certify that this is a true copy of the Entry no. 15 in the Register Book of Marriages of the above-named Building. WITNESS MY HAND this 27th day of January 1947 Maldwyn A. Davies Authorised Person |
| St Catherine's House. |
| 6 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Registration District: Lewisham. 1882 BIRTH in the Sub-district of Sydenham in the County of Kent No: 264 When and where born: Seventeenth December 1882. 138 Malham Road Name if any: Frederick John Sex: Boy Name and surname of father: Frederick William Hoadly Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Sarah Jane Hoadly formerly Smith Occupation of father: Baker Signature, description and residence of informant: F.W. Hoadly, Father. 138 Malham Road, Forest Hill When registered: Thirtieth December 1882 Signature of Registrar: George Phillips. Registrar Name entered after registration: CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in a Register in my custody. Shirley Gibbon. Deputy Superintendant Registrar. 7.11.90 Date |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 7 | "Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/"
(Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Dec 1882 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hoadly Frederick John Lewisham 1d 1134 |
| Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic). |
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| Source: Free BMD website, marriage certificate - Lucy Jaques Alexander Davis - 25Dec 1902 | |
| 8 | "Baptismal Registers of Saint Jude, East Brixton, Lambeth, Surrey". |
| Ancestry. Web: http://www.ancestry.co.uk/. |
| 9 | Marriage certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: 1906 Marriage Solemnised at The Register Office in the District of Camberwell in the County of London. No: 167 When Married: Twenty Fourth January 1906 Name and Surname: Frederick John Hoadly Age: 23 Years Condition: Bachelor Rank or Profession: Pastry Cook, Journeyman Residence at time of Marriage: 198 High Street, Peckham Father's Name and Surname: Frederick William Hoadly Rank or Profession of Father: Baker Master Name and Surname: Frances Jessie Jaques Age: 19 years Condition: Spinster Rank or Profession: - Residence at time of Marriage: 161 Gordon Road, Peckham Father's Name and Surname: Charles Hancock Jaques Rank or Profession of Father: Warehouseman Mineral Waters Married in the Register Office by certificate before me A. E. Baker, Registrar This marriage was Solemnised between us: Frederick John Hoadly Frances Jessie Jaques In the presence of us: L.J. Davis A. Davis Charles S. Stephens Superintendent Registrar. I hereby Certify the above to be a true copy of the Entry No. 167 in the Marriage Register, No. 5 for the said District of Camberwell, the said Register being legally in my custody. Witness my hand this Twenty Fourth day of January 1906 A. E. Baker Registrar. 24/1/06 |
| St Catherine's House. |
| 10 | Death Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: CERTIFIED COPY OF AN ENTRY DEATH Entry No. 274 Registration District: Havering Sub-district: Havering Administrative area: London Borough of Havering Date and place of death: Eighteenth November 1978 St Georges Hospital, Hornchurch Name and surname: Frederick John HOADLY Sex: Male Maiden surname of woman who has married: - Date and place of birth: 17th December 1882 Sydenham Occupation and usual address: a Master Baker (retired) 107 Station Lane, Hornchurch Name and surname of informant: Marion Elaine HOADLY Qualification: Grandaughter Usual address: 34, The Avenue, Hornchurch, Essex Cause of death: 1a: Bronchopneumonia b: Cerebral Arteriosclerosis Certified by M. Delany M.B. I certify that the particulars given by me above are true to the best of my knowledge and belief: M. Hoadly Signature of informant Date of registration: Twentieth November 1978 Signature of registrar: J. A. Smith Registrar CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in a register in my custody. E. E. Evans Deputy Registrar 20.11.78 Date IQ 833329 |
| Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street LONDON EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300. |
| 11 | Census (Microfilm). |
| Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street LONDON EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300. |
| 12 | "Email to Graham Hoadly from Dr. Sally Richards, grandaughter of Eva and George Howard". |
| 13 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Registration District: Elham. 1860 BIRTH in the Sub-district of Folkestone in the County of Kent No: 386 When and where born: Twenty Eighth October 1860. 10 Shellons Terrace, Folkestone Name if any: Frederick William Sex: Boy Name and surname of father: Frederick Augustus Hoadly Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Elizabeth Hoadly formerly Smith Occupation of father: Cook (Professed) Signature, description and residence of informant: Elizabeth Hoadly, Mother. 10 Shellons Terrace, Folkestone When registered: Nineteenth November 1860 Signature of Registrar: Stephen Macdonald. Registrar Name entered after registration: CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in a Register in my custody. [?] Deputy Superintendant Registrar. 19th January 1984 Date |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 14 | Marriage certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Marriage Certificate: 1881 Marriage Solemnized at St Matthews Church in the Parish of Brixton in the County of Surrey No: 227 When Married: September 11th 1881 Name and Surname: Frederick William Hoadly Age: 21 Condition: Bachelor Rank or Profession: Baker Residence at time of Marriage: Brixton Father's Name and Surname: Frederick Augustus Hoadly (deceased) Rank or Profession of Father: Cook Name and Surname: Sarah Jane Smith Age: 24 Condition: Spinster Rank or Profession: - Residence at time of Marriage: Brixton Father's Name and Surname: John Smith (deceased) Rank or Profession of Father: Butcher Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church after Banns by me A.B.S. West This marriage was Solemnised between us: Frederick William Hoadly Sarah Jane Smith In the presence of us: John Harris Grace Elise Cotton CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Marriages in the Registration District of Lambeth Given at the GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE, under the Seal of the said Office, the 29th day of November 1990 |
| St Catherine's House. |
| 15 | Death Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Registration District: Wandsworth. 1946 DEATH in the Sub-district of Tooting in the Metropolitan Borough of Wandsworth No: 7 When and where died: Twentieth June 1946. Tooting Bec Hospital Name and Surname: Frederick Hoadley Sex: Male Age: 85 years Occupation: of 200 Peckham High Street SE 15 a Master Baker Cause of Death: (1a) Carcinoma of Pancreas Certified by G. Brown MD Signature, description and residence of informant: G. Brown, Chief Resident Officer, Tooting Bec Hospital When registered: Eleventh July 1946 Signature of Registrar: D. H. Elms. Registrar CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Deaths in the District above mentioned. Given at the GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE, under the Seal of the said Office, the 17th day of January 1991 |
| Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street LONDON EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300. |
| 16 | Romford Cemetery Burial Records. |
| Upminster Crematorium. Tel: 01708 222 188. |
| 17 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Birth Certificate Registration District: Meriden. 1855 BIRTH in the Sub-district of Coleshill in the County of Warwick No: 157 When and where born: Eighth of September 1855. Coleshill Name if any: Sarah Jane Sex: Girl Name and surname of father: - Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Ann SMITH Occupation of father: - Signature, description and residence of informant: Ann Smith. Mother. Coleshill When registered: Twenty Sixth September 1855 Signature of Registrar: William Jacombs Registrar CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Births in my custody. William Bussey Superintendent Registrar 23rd January 1984 |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 18 | Coleshill Parish Registers. |
| Birmingham City Archives, Floor 7 Central Library Chamberlain Square Birmingham B3 3HQ. Tel: 0121 303 4217. |
| 19 | Church of the Latter Day Saints, "http://www.familysearch.org/". Assessment:
Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SARAH JANE SMITH Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 24 SEP 1855 Coleshill, Warwick, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Mother: ANN SMITH Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: P015981 1709 - 1875 0229158, 0229159 Film 0820658 Film P015981 1709 - 1875 0229158, 0229159 Film NONE Sheet: 00 |
| Internet. Call Number: http://www.familysearch.org/ (electronic). |
| 20 | GRO Indexes. |
| Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street LONDON EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300. |
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| Source: GRO Indexes, Frederich Charles Jaques Martha Kearns Marr 1907 | |
| 21 | "Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/"
(Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Jun 1886 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAQUES Frances Jessie Camberwell 1d 871 |
| Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic). |
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| Source: Free BMD website, marriage certificate - Lucy Jaques Alexander Davis - 25Dec 1902 | |
| 22 | Death Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: CERTIFIED COPY OF AN ENTRY DEATH Entry No. 249 Registration District: Havering Sub-district: Havering Administrative area: London Borough of Havering Date and place of death: Twentieth December 1974 St Georges Hospital, Hornchurch Name and surname: Frances Jessie HOADLY otherwise Jessie HOADLY Sex: Female Maiden surname of woman who has married: JAQUES Date and place of birth: 23rd March 1888 Peckham Southwark Occupation and usual address: Wife of Frederick John HOADLY Master Baker (retired) 107 Station Lane, Hornchurch Essex Name and surname of informant: Robert Charles HOADLY Qualification: Son Usual address: 34, The Avenue, Hornchurch, Essex Cause of death: 1a: Bronchopneumonia b: Cerebral Arteriosclerosis Certified by R. Farid M.D. I certify that the particulars given by me above are true to the best of my knowledge and belief: R. C. Hoadly Signature of informant Date of registration: Twenty First December 1974 Signature of registrar: S.M. Lightbody Deputy Registrar CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in a register in my custody. S.M. Lightbody Deputy Registrar 21.12.74 Date IM 595270 |
| Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street LONDON EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300. |
| 23 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Cit. Date: 13 February 2004. Assessment: Primary
evidence.
Text From Source: Registration District: St Olave Southwark. 1862 BIRTH in the Sub-district of St John Horsleydown in the County of Surrey No: 394 When and where born: Third September 1862. 30 Gainsford Street Name if any: Charles Hancock Sex: Boy Name and surname of father: James Jacques Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Frances Margaret formerly Wilson Occupation of father: Wharf Clerk Signature, description and residence of informant: F.M.Jacques, Mother. 30 gainsford Street, St Johns Southwark When registered: Fourteenth October 1862 Signature of Registrar: James Platt. Registrar CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Deaths in the District above mentioned. Given at the GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE, under the Seal of the said Office, the 26th day of February 1991 |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 24 | Marriage certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Marriage Certificate: 1881 Marriage Solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of St George Camberwell in the County of Surrey No: 440 When Married: December 26 1881 Name and Surname: Charles Hancock Jaques Age: Full Age Condition: Bachelor Rank or Profession: Painter [?] Residence at time of Marriage: Old Kent Road Father's Name and Surname: James Jaques Rank or Profession of Father: Agent Name and Surname: Lucy Charlotte Cooper Age: Full Age Condition: Spinster Rank or Profession: - Residence at time of Marriage: Old Kent Road Father's Name and Surname: Thomas Harvey Cooper Rank or Profession of Father: Dyer Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England after banns by me Samuel Smith This marriage was Solemnised between us: Charles Hancock Jaques Lucy Charlotte Cooper In the presence of us: Thomas Harvey Cooper Amy Barrington CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Marriages in the Registration District of Camberwell Given at the GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE, under the Seal of the said Office, the 11th day of December 1990 |
| St Catherine's House. |
| 25 | "Charles Hancock Jaques & Lucy Charlotte Cooper 1882". |
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| Source: Charles Hancock Jaques & Lucy Charlotte Cooper 1882, Charles Hancock Jaques & Lucy Charlotte Cooper 1882 | |
| 26 | "Charles Hancock Jaques & Lucy Charlotte Cooper 1882". Assessment: Primary evidence. |
| Ancestry. Web: http://www.ancestry.co.uk/. |
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| Source: Charles Hancock Jaques & Lucy Charlotte Cooper 1882, Charles Hancock Jaques & Lucy Charlotte Cooper 1882 | |
| 27 | Taped conversation with Nelly Maude Jaques. |
| Graham Hoadly. |
| 28 | Camberwell Cemetery Burial Records. |
| The Superintendent of Cemeteries, Camberwell New Cemetery, Brenchley Gardens, London, SE23 3RB. |
| 29 | "Information from Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/"
(Internet). Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Births Dec 1860 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COOPER LUCY CHARLOTTE Bermondsey 1d 86 |
| Internet. Call Number: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ (electronic). |
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| Source: Free BMD website, marriage certificate - Lucy Jaques Alexander Davis - 25Dec 1902 | |
| 30 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Registration District: Saint Mary Kensington Bermondsey and Surrey. 1860 BIRTH in the Sub-district of St Mary Magdalen in the County of Surrey No: 360 When and where born: Second October 1860. 15 Wilbourne Terrace Name if any: Lucy Charlotte Sex: Girl Name and surname of father: Thomas Harvey Cooper Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Harriett Cooper formerly Alefounder Occupation of father: Warehouse Man Signature, description and residence of informant: T.H. Cooper, Father. 15 Wilbourne Terrace, Bermondsey When registered: Third November 1860 Signature of Registrar: R. Hellier Registrar I Edward Percy Everest superintendent Registrar for the District of Atcham, in the Counties of Salop and Montgomery do hereby certify that this is a true copy of the entry No. 366 in the Register Book of Births No. 29 for the above-named Sub-District, and that such Register Book is now legally in my custody. Witness my hand this Eighth day of October, 1932 CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Deaths in the District above mentioned. Given at the GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE, under the Seal of the said Office, the 14th day of May 2004 |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 31 | "Baptismal Registers St James Bermondsey". Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Lucy Charlotte Cooper Name: Lucy Charlotte Cooper Record Type: Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1860 Father's Name: Thomas Harvey Cooper Mother's Name: Harriet Cooper Parish: Saint James, Bermondsey Borough: Southwark County: Middlesex |
| Ancestry. Web: http://www.ancestry.co.uk/. |
| 32 | GRO Indexes. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: Mar 1949 Lucy C. Jaques (88) Lambeth 5c 1505 |
| Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street LONDON EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300. |
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| Source: GRO Indexes, Frederich Charles Jaques Martha Kearns Marr 1907 | |
| 33 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Birth Certificate Registration District: Atcham. 1924 BIRTH in the Sub-district of Shrewsbury in the County of Salop No: 153 When and where born: Eighth of September 1924. 2 Claremont Bank Name if any: Gwyneth Sex: Girl Name and surname of father: Eric Roberts Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Evelyn May Roberts formerly Deakin Occupation of father: Gas company's Inspector of 4 Victoria Street Signature, description and residence of informant: E. Roberts, Father. 4 Victoria Street When registered: First October 1924 Signature of Registrar: J. E. Heathcote Registrar I James Edwin Heathcote Registrar of Births and Deaths for the Sub-District of Shrewsbury, in the County of Salop do hereby certify that this is a true copy of the entry No. 153 in the Register Book of Births for the said Sub-District, and that such Register Book is now legally in my custody. Witness my hand this 1st day of October, 1924 J. E. Heathcote Registrar of Births and Deaths |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 34 | "Family bible inscribed "To Robert Roberts the gift of Miss [?] 1867"". |
| Glyn Roberts. |
| 35 | Death Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: CERTIFIED COPY OF AN ENTRY DEATH Entry No. 220 Registration District: Havering Sub-district: Havering Administrative area: London Borough of Havering Date and place of death: Twentieth December 1989 34, The Avenue, Hornchurch Name and surname: Gwyneth HOADLY Sex: Female Maiden surname of woman who has married: ROBERTS Date and place of birth: 8th September 1924 Shrewsbury, Shropshire Occupation and usual address: Wardrobe Mistress (retired) Wife of Robert Charles HOADLY, Baker and Confectioner (retired) 34, The Avenue, Hornchurch, Essex Name and surname of informant: Eluned Virginia WOODS Qualification: Daughter Present at the death Usual address: 4 Woodmancote, Dursley, Gloucestershire Cause of death: 1a: Bronchopneumonia b: Carcinoma of the brain Certified by M. Blewitt M.B. I certify that the particulars given by me above are true to the best of my knowledge and belief: E. V. Woods Signature of informant Date of registration: Twenty first December 1989 Signature of registrar: S.M. Archer Registrar CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in a register in my custody. [?] Deputy Registrar 21.12.89 Date IAA 561256 |
| Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street LONDON EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300. |
| 36 | GRO, "Family Research Link" (www.1837online.com). Cit. Date: 23 July
2003. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Name: Gwyneth Hoadly Date of Birth: 8 September 1924 Registration District: Havering Year of Registration: 1989 Month of Registration: December Volume Number: 13 Page Number: 308 Registration Number: 1289 |
| Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street LONDON EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300. |
| 37 | Frances Clay, "Information received from Frances Clay" (Family Tree of Frances Clay). Assessment: Questionable. |
| GenesReunited. |
| 38 | "Family bible inscribed "To Robert Roberts the gift of Miss [?] 1867"".
Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Robert Eric Roberts, born July 17th 1890 at a ¼ to 4 in the Afternoon at Glyndwr Place |
| Glyn Roberts. |
| 39 | Marriage certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Marriage Certificate: Registration District 1920 Marriage Solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of Kinnerley in the County of Salop No: 383 When Married: 25th April 1920 Name and Surname: Eric Roberts Age: 29 Condition: Bachelor Rank or Profession: Clerk Residence at time of Marriage: 4 Victoria St, All Saints Shrewsbury Father's Name and Surname: Robert Morgan Roberts Rank or Profession of Father: Printer Name and Surname: Evelyn May Deakin Age: 25 Condition: Spinster Rank or Profession: - Residence at time of Marriage: Grove Cottage Pentre Kinnerley Father's Name and Surname: John Jones Deakin Rank or Profession of Father: Farmer Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by Licence by me George Rees (Vicar) This marriage was Solemnized between us: Eric Roberts Evelyn May Deakin In the presence of us: I Thomas Wilshaw, of Kinnerley, in the County of Salop do hereby certify that this is a true copy of the Entry no. 383 in the Register Book of Marriages of the said Church, and that such Register nBook is now legally in my custody. WITNESS MY HAND this 25th day of April 1920 Thomas Wilshaw 25th April 1920 [N.B. This is a transcription from the original Marriage Certificate dated and stamped in 1920. It would appear, comparing it with a later copy of the certificate obtained and dated 1955 that the Surname "Deakin" had been added, and would therefore not be in the original Parish Register entry. Also the 1920 certicicate does not list the witnesses - therefore, I would suggest that the 1855 copy is the true version.] |
| St Catherine's House. |
| 40 | Ibid. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Marriage Certificate: Registration District: Oswestry 1920 Marriage Solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of Kinnerley in the County of Salop No: 383 When Married: April 25th 1920 Name and Surname: Eric Roberts Age: 29 Condition: Bachelor Rank or Profession: Clerk Residence at time of Marriage: 4 Victoria St, All Saints Shrewsbury Father's Name and Surname: Robert Morgan Roberts Rank or Profession of Father: Printer Name and Surname: Evelyn May Deakin Age: 25 Condition: Spinster Rank or Profession: - Residence at time of Marriage: Grove Cottage Pentre Kinnerley Father's Name and Surname: John Jones Rank or Profession of Father: Farmer Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by Licence by me George Rees (Vicar) This marriage was Solemnized between us: Eric Roberts Evelyn May Deakin In the presence of us: Trevor V. Roberts Joseph Lloyd I W. Morgan Williams, Vicar, of Kinnerley, in the County of Salop do hereby certify that this is a true copy of the Entry no. 383 in the Register Book of Marriages of the said Church. WITNESS MY HAND this 13th day of April 1955 W. Morgan Williams (Vicar) [N.B. This is a transcription from the original Marriage Certificate dated and stamped in 1920. It would appear, comparing it with a later copy of the certificate obtained and dated 1955 that the Surname "Deakin" had been added, and would therefore not be in the original Parish Register entry. Also the 1920 certicicate does not list the witnesses - therefore, I would suggest that the 1955 copy is the true version.] |
| 41 | Death Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Registration District: Shrewsbury. 1955 DEATH in the Sub-district of Shrewsbury in the County of Salop No: 159 When and where died: Sixteenth May 1955. 4 Victoria Street, Castlefields, Shrewsbury. Name and Surname: Robert Eric Roberts Sex: Male Age: 64 years Occupation: a Clerk - Gas Board Cause of Death: 1(a) Myocardial Failure (b) Pulmonary Fibrosis Certified by J. C. Ryle MD Signature, description and residence of informant: E. Roberts. Widow of Deceased Present at the Death. 4 Victoria Street, Castlefields, Shrewsbury. When registered: Seventeenth May 1955 Signature of Registrar: L.J. Pritchard. Registrar I HEREBY CERTIFY that the above is a true Copy of an Entry of Death in a Register Book in my custody. Witness my hand this 25th day of May 1955. L.J. Pritchard Registrar. |
| Family Records Centre, 1 Myddleton Street LONDON EC1R 1UW. Tel: 020 8392 5300. |
| 42 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Birth Certificate Registration District: Newtown. 1855 BIRTH in the Sub-district of Newtown in the County of Montgomery No: 316 When and where born: Thirtieth of December 1855. Canal Road Llanllwchaiarn Name if any: Robert Morgan Sex: Boy Name and surname of father: William Roberts Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Jane Roberts formerly Lewis Occupation of father: Wheelwright Signature, description and residence of informant: William Roberts, Father. Canal Road Llanllwchaiarn When registered: Fourth January 1856 Signature of Registrar: J. Higgins Registrar I Hazel Bolton superintendent Registrar for the District of Newtown, in the County of Powis do hereby certify that this is a true copy of the entry No. 316 in the Register Book of Births No. 8 for the above-named Sub-District, and that such Register Book is now legally in my custody. Witness my hand this 22nd day of November, 1990 |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 43 | "Holy Bible" (printed 1620). Cit. Date: 29 July 2003. Assessment: Primary
evidence.
Text From Source: "Robert the son of W. Roberts by Jane his wife was born November 30th 1855 at half past eleven in the morning" This information is from a large Welsh Family Bible printed in London by Bonham Norton and John Bill. Printed by the printer who printed for the King. Anno Domini 1620. There is no evidence to suggest who originally owned the Bible. The earliest reference inscribed within is to "My father John Lewis [of Pantycrasdy] born August 1726" Pantycrasdy is a farm near Llanwnog in Mongomeryshire, now Powis. It still exists, although the farmhouse is modern - i.e. not the building John Lewis would have known. The farm presently lies on a minor road that runs parallel to and north of the A470 between Carno and Clatter. The Bible appears to have remained with the Lewises and went from Morgan Lewis into the possession of his daughter Jane who married William Roberts of Newtown. It went from Jane to her son Robert Morgan Roberts and then to his son Archibald Lewis Roberts. Archie gave it to his niece Gwyneth, who gave it to her son Graham Hoadly. Graham is the present owner - 29th July 2003. |
| Graham Hoadly. |
| 44 | "Family bible inscribed "To Robert Roberts the gift of Miss [?] 1867"".
Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Robert Morgan - November 30th 1855, at half past 11 in forenoon |
| Glyn Roberts. |
| 45 | Marriage certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Marriage Certificate: No: 191 Marriage Solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of Llanllwchaiarn in the County of Montgomery When Married: November 3rd 1879 Name and Surname: Robert Morgan Roberts Age: 24 Condition: Bachelor Rank or Profession: Compositor Residence at time of Marriage: Penygloddfa Father's Name and Surname: William Roberts Rank or Profession of Father: Wheelright Name and Surname: Annie Jones Age: 21 Condition: Spinster Rank or Profession: - Residence at time of Marriage: Penygloddfa Father's Name and Surname: Evan Jones Rank or Profession of Father: Farmer Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church after Banns by me E. Jenkins Bowen B.A. This marriage was Solemnized between us: Robert Morgan Roberts Annie Roberts [sic] In the presence of us: Evan Jones Margaret Jones CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in a Register in my custody Hazel Bolton Registrar 22nd November 1990 Date Registration District Newtown |
| St Catherine's House. |
| 46 | "Family bible inscribed "To Robert Roberts the gift of Miss [?] 1867"".
Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Robert Morgan - November 30th 1855, at half past 11 in forenoon married 3rd November 1879 to Annie [the letter "i" later crossed out] Jones, Born May 5th 1858. |
| Glyn Roberts. |
| 47 | "Chris Ellis". |
| 48 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Birth Certificate Registration District: Llanfyllin. 1858 BIRTH in the Sub-district of Llanfair in the County of Montgomery No: 244 When and where born: Fifth of May 1858. Dolanog Llanfihangel Name if any: Ann Sex: Female Name and surname of father: Evan Jones Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Mary Jones formerly Evans Occupation of father: Miller (Master) Signature, description and residence of informant: Evan Jones, Father. Dolanog Llanfihangel When registered: Twentieth May 1858 Signature of Registrar: Thomas Watkin Registrar CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Births in the District above-mentioned. Given at the GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE, LONDON, under the Seal of the said Office, the 11th day of December 1990 |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 49 | "Family bible inscribed "To Robert Roberts the gift of Miss [?] 1867"".
Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Anne Roberts died 11th March 1934 4.30 pm |
| Glyn Roberts. |
| 50 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Registration District: Ellesmere. 1895 BIRTH in the Sub-district of Baschurch in the County of Salop No: 88 When and where born: Twentieth January 1895 Pentre Great Ness R.S.D. Name if any: Evelyn May Sex: Girl Name and surname of father: [blank] Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Agnes Ann Deakin Domestic Servant Occupation of father: [blank] Signature, description and residence of informant: Agnes A. Deakin, Mother. Ruyton Eleven Towns When registered: Twenty Ninth March 1895 Signature of Registrar: Ellen M. Wilde. Deputy Registrar Name entered after registration: CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in a Register in my custody. Marjorie V. Jackson. Superintendant Registrar. 21st November 1990 Date |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 51 | Richard Reeve [?], "Certificate of Baptism". Text From Source: Certificate of
Baptism
Administered with Water, in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. In the Parish of Great Ness in the County of Salop in the year 1895 When Baptized: 1895 Feby 8th When Born Jany 20th 1895 Child's Christian Name: Evelyn May Parents' Names: Christian: Agness Ann Surname: Deakin Abode: Pentre, Kindon Quality, Trade, or Profession [blank] By w ... {damaged}: R ... {damaged} possibly Richard Reeve[?] The above is a true Copy from the PRIMITIVE METHODIST Register Book of Baptisms in [ blank ] Chapel, Llanym ...[Damaged} possibly Llanymynech[?] Witness my hand this 8th day of Feby 1895 Richard Reeve [damaged] J. Randall, Printer, Madeley |
| Graham Hoadly. |
| 52 | Ibid. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Certificate of Baptism Administered with Water, in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. In the Parish of Great Ness in the County of Salop in the year 1895 When Baptized: 1895 Feby 8th When Born Jany 20th 1895 Child's Christian Name: Evelyn May Parents' Names: Christian: Agness Ann Surname: Deakin Abode: Pentre, Kindon Quality, Trade, or Profession [blank] By w ... {damaged}: R ... {damaged} possibly Richard Reeve[?] The above is a true Copy from the PRIMITIVE METHODIST Register Book of Baptisms in [ blank ] Chapel, Llanym ...[Damaged} possibly Llanymynech[?] Witness my hand this 8th day of Feby 1895 Richard Reeve [damaged] J. Randall, Printer, Madeley |
| 53 | Death Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: CERTIFIED COPY OF AN ENTRY DEATH Entry No. 161 Registration District: Hitchin Sub-district: Hitchin Administrative area: County of Hertfordshire Date and place of death: Sixth March 1985 36, Croft Lane, Letchworth Name and surname: Evelyn May ROBERTS Sex: Female Maiden surname of woman who has married: DEAKIN Date and place of birth: 20th January 1895 Pentre, Salop Occupation and usual address: Widow of Eric Robert ROBERTS, Accountant 36, Croft Lane, Letchworth, Herts Name and surname of informant: Glyn Roberts Qualification: Son Usual address: Ty Coed, 3 Green Acres, Lilley, Luton, Beds Cause of death: 1a: Left Ventricular: b: Coronary Atherosclerosis Certified by I.F. Macrae M.B. I certify that the particulars given by me above are true to the best of my knowledge and belief: G. Roberts Signature of informant Date of registration: Twenty Seventh March, 1985 Signature of registrar: E. J. Day Registrar CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in a register in my custody. E. J. Day Registrar 7.3.85 Date IW 050084 |
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| 54 | GRO, Birth Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Registration District: Chorlton. 1882 BIRTH in the Sub-district of Sydenham in the County of Kent No: 264 When and where born: Seventeenth December 1882. 138 Malham Road Name if any: Frederick John Sex: Boy Name and surname of father: Frederick William Hoadly Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Sarah Jane Hoadly formerly Smith Occupation of father: Baker Signature, description and residence of informant: F.W. Hoadly, Father. 138 Malham Road, Forest Hill When registered: Thirtieth December 1882 Signature of Registrar: George Phillips. Registrar Name entered after registration: CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in a Register in my custody. Shirley Gibbon. Deputy Superintendant Registrar. 7.11.90 Date |
| Graham Hoadly. |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Birth Certificate of Sophia Hoadly | |
| 55 | Marriage certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Marriage Certificate: 1901 Marriage Solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of Ruyton XI Towns in the County of Salop No: 312 When Married: Sept 4th 1901 Name and Surname: Joe Owen Age: 29 Condition: Bachelor Rank or Profession: Wine Merchant's Assistant Residence at time of Marriage: Oswestry Father's Name and Surname: Charles Owen Rank or Profession of Father: Blacksmith Name and Surname: Agnes Ann Deakin Age: 25 Condition: Spinster Rank or Profession: - Residence at time of Marriage: Ruyton Father's Name and Surname: Alfred Deakin Rank or Profession of Father: Butcher Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England after banns by me W.D. Craven Vicar This marriage was Solemnised between us: Joe Owens Agnes Ann Deakin In the presence of us: Edward Roberts Cissie Coles, Edwin Tomkinson CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Marriages in the Registration District of Oswestry Given at the GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE, under the Seal of the said Office, the 21st day of February 1997 |
| St Catherine's House. |
| 56 | Ibid. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Marriage Certificate: 1922 Marriage Solemnised at The Register Office in the District of Oswestry in the County of Salop No: 48 When Married: Twenty Eighth December 1922 Name and Surname: Richard Williams Age: 37 years Condition: Bachelor Rank or Profession: Draper's Assistant Residence at time of Marriage: 18 Roft Street, Oswestry Father's Name and Surname: William Williams Rank or Profession of Father: Railway Platelayer Name and Surname: Agnes Owen Age: 46 years Condition: Widow Rank or Profession: - Residence at time of Marriage: 5 Gittins Street, Oswestry Father's Name and Surname: Alfred Deakin Rank or Profession of Father: Butcher (Journeyman) Married in the Register Office by Licence before me Charles |H. Bull Registrar J. C. Bull Superintendent Registrar This marriage was Solemnised between us: Richard Williams Agnes Owen In the presence of us: Edmund Barnfield Mary Owen CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Marriages in the Registration District of Oswestry. Given at the GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE, under the Seal of the said Office, the 22nd day of March 2005 |
| 57 | Death Certificate. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: Death Certificate: Registration District: Oswestry 1941 DEATH in the Sub-district of Oswestry in the County of Salop No: 85 When and where died: Twenty fourth February 1941 at 5 Gittin Street, Oswestry, U.D. Name and Surname: Agnes Ann Williams Sex: Female Age: 64 years Occupation: Wife of Richard Williams Drapers Assistant Cause of Death: 1. (a) Cerebral Haemorrage (b) Hyperpiesia Certified by R. H. S. Marshall MRCS Signature, description and residence of informant: Iris L. Dyer Daughter 10 Gloucester Road, Wallasey, Cheshire When registered: Twenty Sixth February 1941 Signature of Registrar: T. Pughe Jones Registrar CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Deaths in the District above mentioned. Given at the GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE, under the Seal of the said Office, the 21st day of March 2005 |
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| 58 | "Una Iris Williams - telephone conversation". |